Deca or Tren OR both?

[Stickler*]

Just figured i'd play devil's advocate here.. and get some opinions on the thread title.

I know some things just aren't meant to be mixed. But it's been a while, and in the past 8 years I've never done deca but have used TREN with great results.

What do you think of having both in a cycle? Does it make sense? Is it redundant? Is a huge progesterone gyno risk?

I'm not prone to gyno as far as I can tell, but I always take anti-e's. For example I'll take 1mg arimidex ED during cycle due to gyno paranoia.

However I have always been told that deca makes your joints feel great...

either way... i'd love to get some outside perspectus.. especially since i haven't seen this topic in a while, and the search function for "Deca and Tren" comes up with all sorts of shit that doesn't pin point the debate for me.

appreciate the feedback... i want to try deca, but tren has always been a personal favorite, and i don't think i'm prone to progesterone gyno.. i just don't want to find out in the meantime...

 

[saudades]

I have not used tren yet, so I have to ask--does it cause progesterone gyno? I didn't think that it did. I've used deca, and it does help the joints feel good, but that's in a big enough dosage--at least 400mg/week. I think it would be interesting to try the both of them together.

 

[getinbig]

Dont Mix Them I Hear Its Bad News

 

[Stickler*]

Dont Mix Them I Hear Its Bad News

can you elaborate on that? ... i'm almost positive that tren can cause progesterone gyno.. that's why winstrol is always a good additive to help.. (i'm a big fan of everything what can i say) ... regardless...

i need more than just "Bad news" ... how, why, who has had any experience..

 

[mikeswift]

instead of running arimidex the whole time i would run Proviron which is a mild anti-e but also slightly anabolic and great for sexual health. I haven't run Tren but i would have an anti-progesterone on hand before I started.

 

[saudades]

Isn't deca also supposed to cause progesterone gyno? I'm not prone either way, so I'm as curious as Stickler is. In fact, my next cycle was going to include both.

 

[Stickler*]

Isn't deca also supposed to cause progesterone gyno? I'm not prone either way, so I'm as curious as Stickler is. In fact, my next cycle was going to include both.

mine already IS ... and as intelligent as I might be.. sometimes jumping head first into the flames isn't always the best idea.. i had the though after my 1st shot of tren.

i will be out of deca soon, so i might just drop it, and goto tren if this seems to be a huge issue.... just a thought..

in regards to proviron, what' s agood dose of it as a mild anti-e?

 

[saudades]

Usually 25-50 mg of proviron is enough.

 

[Spiderman]

Yes deca can definitely cause progestrone gyno. I have a friend who would never listen to anyone and decided to run a deca only cycle about a year ago with nothing else and nothing for pct. He ended up with gyno and had surgery 4 months ago to get rid of his mammary glands. Worked out good for him as he won't get gyno anymore and his company paid for it b/c they didn't know what it was and he didn't tell anyone he was on.

I have heard that tren does, but never experienced it myself. However, it's been a long time since I've run any.

 

[Stickler*]

sure.. this stuff i understand.. it's the deca AND tren combo i'm really curious about

 

[Spiderman]

I'll see what I can dig up tonight

 

[Spiderman]

I have been reading for the past hour and looking at these two cmpds. being used. I haven't run either of these compounds together ever or seperate in several years. However, it should take 4-5 weeks for the deca to kick in so if you are running the tren at the beginning of the cycle and cut it about week 4 or 5 you might be able to minimize some of the bad sides that come with the combo of both. There are some definite side like the progesterone gyno as well as getting shut down hard and limp noodle, but I'm sure you are aware of these already.

Also, bump saudades on the proviron use as it should help with the limpness as well as keeping the estrogen from the test at bay (assuming you are running some test). Sry if it's not much help...maybe someone with direct experience will chime in.

 

[Stickler*]

so far spiderman, i appreciate the time you've put in on both.. the deca is in week 6 so it's just kicking in.. and i'm about to run out.. thinking of getting more at the local walmart... but then again, if it's THAT bad, even though I know deca stays in the system a LONG time, I might just switch to the tren.. i love the shit, i've just never given deca a chance... so far day 2 of both and no pain,

running cyp@ 500mg/week
prop@ 200mg/week (was going to run 50mg/day for 20days of a preload but it hurt way to bad)
deca @ 400mg/wk
tren @ 75mg ED
arimidex 1mg ED
t3 8 week total pyramid w/ 2 week ween at minimal doses..

was thinking about the proviron usage in the near future to substitute arimidex
thinking about getting dostinex(sp?) (is that good for prog gyno prevention or is bromo the best?)
maybe some winstrol to help w/ prog gyno prevention and tightness...
also concidering IGF or GH towards the later part of the cycle... cost effectiveness I am leaning towards IGF as well...

on week six, been running everything but the tren till yesterday, today was day 2, and thinking about drawing it out 16-24 weeks with a change in compounds as summer gets closer... haven't thought that far in advance... and my body has been juice free (almost) for about 3yrs with a few inconsistant weeks of winstrol to help during some manual labor side jobs... (injury prevention )

 

[saudades]

In regards to being limp on deca, I'm not sure what I did different or if I just happen to respond differently because of being on HRT, but I was horny as hell on deca. Couldn't lay down in bed without imitating a sundial.

 

[BiggerStronger]

tren and deca are both big time progesterone agents. The combination of both in someone who's sensitive to prog. induced gyno is in for some big trouble. Tren gives me gyno like no other.

 

[franconian]

I like both. Did tren,deca,equi cycle by far the best. Had to stop the tren 6 weeks in because of nipple pain

 

[saudades]

Hmmm...I'll have to see how I react to tren. I know I have no problem with deca so maybe that's a good sign. I'm always on test though so then again maybe that's what's different. Maybe the test keeps it in balance.

 

[Stickler*]

well i'll keep you informed, i'm on day 4 of tren injects, while using deca.. i'll let you know if i notice any different sides than the norm...

 

[saudades]

Sounds good, thanks, bro.

 

[BiggerStronger]

I didn't start having progesterone induced gyno symptoms until my 2nd cycle of tren. The lump has gone away mostly but if I even look at aas the wrong way it will flare up. Sucks ass. lol. I stick to just test for the most part, but I would like to try tren again with some dostinex and a strong anti-e.