First Cycle Plan

[crank]

10 Week Cycle:

M1T - 25mg / Day, Weeks 1 - 3
Test Enth 250mg / Weeks 1 - 10

During Cycle:

- Arimidex @ 0.5mg / Day
- Nolvadex @ 20mg / Day

Post Cycle: Starting 1 Week After Last Injection:

Week 1 - 2

- Arimidex @ 0.5mg / Day
- Nolvadex @ 20mg / Day
- Clomid @ 100mg / Day

Week 3

- Arimidex @ 0.5mg / Day
- Nolvadex @ 20mg / Day
- Clomid @ 75mg / Day

Week 4

- Arimidex @ 0.25mg / Day
- Nolvadex @ 20mg / Day
- Clomid @ 50mg / Day


The reason I'm running Test only and at a low dose is so that I can see how it affects me. I wanted to keep this as simple as possible. I know 250mg / Week is a low dose but I know I'll make solid gains with proper diet and rest.

 

[Cannons]

Cut the arimidex out the last week of your cycle. Using it during PCT could eliminate too much estrogen in your body causing further imbalance (since you do need estrogen in your body). Nolvadex and Clomid will suffice, and honestly, you shouldn't be that shutdown after that cycle, but everyone is different. Still I would do the above.

 

[crank]

Maybe I'll just run it at .25mg Every Other Day During PCT?

 

[Cannons]

Maybe I'll just run it at .25mg Every Other Day Durying PCT?

Not a good idea bro, you don't need to run it at all. Arimidex will eliminate estrogen. If you are off of test and there is no more test converting to estrogen, it will eliminate the estrogen in your body causing your body to produce more estrogen which is defeating the purpose of PCT. Just drop it the last week of your cycle bro. In one of my early cycles (back before I knew better). I used adex in PCT and got gyno 2 weeks AFTER pct, and that is the reason why.

 

[crank]

I don't know if you've seen Pheedno's Guide to PCT before but I pulled this from it and this is why I was going to run the Arimidex Post Cycle.

"Arimidex(or L-dex)
Estrogen is the main inhibitence of restoring HPTA, and AI administration has been shown to increase gonadotrophin concentrations and serum Testosterone by up to 50%. In addition, by adding L-dex, the inhibitence of excess estrogen allows Tamox to work greater at LH stimulation in the begining stages of PCT, since the need to prevent binding in the mammery is lessened by the reduction in estrogen biosynthesis."

His guide is up on a lot of boards and everyone seems to like it?

What you're saying makes perfect sense to me though from all the research I've done.

I could just run the Nolvadex/Clomid and keep the Arimidex on hand in case signs show up. How does that sound?

 

[Cannons]

I don't know if you've seen Pheedno's Guide to PCT before but I pulled this from it and this is why I was going to run the Arimidex Post Cycle.

"Arimidex(or L-dex)
Estrogen is the main inhibitence of restoring HPTA, and AI administration has been shown to increase gonadotrophin concentrations and serum Testosterone by up to 50%. In addition, by adding L-dex, the inhibitence of excess estrogen allows Tamox to work greater at LH stimulation in the begining stages of PCT, since the need to prevent binding in the mammery is lessened by the reduction in estrogen biosynthesis."

His guide is up on a lot of boards and everyone seems to like it?

What you're saying makes perfect sense to me though from all the research I've done.

I could just run the Nolvadex/Clomid and keep the Arimidex on hand in case signs show up. How does that sound?

Yeah, I definitely respect Pheedno's feedback, I'm just going off of experience and assumptions based on other info that I've read. Of course I have no exact references for my info, but I know that I have seen it before. I'm interested in others opinions as well.

 

[crank]

You got me thinking Cannons

After reading up a bit more I'm thinking something like this. I figured I could drop the Nolva during cycle since the Arimidex should be enough for this simple cycle. I have extra Nolvadex laying around anyhow if I need it.

PCT For Testosterone Enanthate

During Cycle:

- Arimidex @ 0.25mg / Day

Post Cycle: Starting 1 Week After Last Injection:

Week 1 - 2

- Nolvadex @ 40mg / Day
- Clomid @ 100mg / Day

Week 3-4

- Nolvadex @ 20mg / Day
- Clomid @ 75mg / Day

Week 5-6

- Nolvadex @ 20mg / Day
- Clomid @ 50mg / Day

I'll keep some extra Arimidex / Nolvadex around in case I get signs after I stop PCT. How does that plan look?

 

[irishpride]

thats a cute cycle LOL

 

[crank]

thats a cute cycle LOL

Har Har :laugh:

Does anyone think that I shouldn't run any Anti-E's during cycle just so I can see how the Test affects me? Then just keep them on hand in case signs of gyno show up?

I've had a number of people tell me I shouldn't use the anti-e's during cycle just so I can see how the test affects me.

 

[modizzle]

I think you should,...Since i did run a low dose cycle with no anti-e's during the cycle,..i did get the full benefit of test, but then again at the end i started gettin a little bloat and was tryin to keep the water retention down so i went with nolva 20mg EOD so that i don't hinder much of my gains,...But i will run it full at the end of cycle... But try without it for now and see what happens...i can almos guarantee that you will not see anysides with this lower dose, but have them in hand just in case...

 

[Flexmaster]

Har Har :laugh:

Does anyone think that I shouldn't run any Anti-E's during cycle just so I can see how the Test affects me? Then just keep them on hand in case signs of gyno show up?

I've had a number of people tell me I shouldn't use the anti-e's during cycle just so I can see how the test affects me.

have them on hand but dont run them unless needed. good starter cycle.

 

[irishpride]

have them on hand but dont run them unless needed. good starter cycle.

i would still bump the test up to like 300-400mgs a week 400 preferably

 

[Bignick]

yeah zylo i would run the test without any anti e's. The m1t has been consistantly giving bros gyno after their cycles but alot have not had any problems during cycle....for this reason i do not know...but i will vouch for the theory....it happend to me.....it seems to just be post cycle though...no gyno during cycle.....the test-e on the other hand....i doubt youll have any problems out of it...but ya never know

 

[Flexmaster]

in all honesty i would if i were you i would do 300-400mg/wk as well, but in reality, since it is your first cycle i think you will still grow great as long as diet is in control.

 

[Flexmaster]

i also just remembered how when i was bridging with 275mgwk of enanthate i was still gaining strength and size. i wasn't gaining as fast, but it was still noticable. i know you will gain a good amount on 250mg/wk, maybe not as much as 300-400 but you will not be unhappy.

 

[little big guy]

have them on hand but dont run them unless needed. good starter cycle.

Agreed,No anti e's unless needed, sounds like a perfect first cycle bro, lets hear about the gains!

 

[Irishmuscle]

Whats M1T?

 

[irishpride]

Whats M1T?

it used to be a legal pro-steriod.

 

[da_Fonz]

I personally dont think your should run any anti e's while on. Like FLex said have them on hand but i personally wouldnt run them while on.

 

[Southern Comfor]

With the doses that low you shouldnt have to worry about running any Anti-Es. I like to use femera with just about every cycle just to keep water retention down to a minumum. I probably should have used it with M1T last year, Im still trying to burn of weight gained from that cycle.