Higher doses or more compounds?

[The Dude]

I did super high test and it sucked. I got sick and looked like crap. For me it seems moderate doses of a few compounds works better. I have been doing 600mg of test a week, 500mg of Deca a week, and 75mg of Tren EOD for a while and had great results. Now I'm out of Tren and I'm looking to do something different. I think I've maxed out what I can gain at these doses. I'm hoping to get some Dbol and do Test, Deca, Dbol, and M1T with IGF and maybe insulin. My plan is 50mg of Dbol, and 50mg of M1T, but I'm unsure if I should up the test and Deca. What dose of Deca do you guys like? Also what do you guys think I should go to with the Test? I'm only doing the M1t and Dbol for 6 weeks or so. Should I add something in?? I'm a solid 242lbs right now and pretty lean.

 

[nuknuk]

look at it this way, so you have been on for a while and want to though in other compounds or maybe up doses to keep gaining. IMO thats not going to work. Body can only do so much at once. IMO I would do two things, come off the right way and let the body reset, or add in some qualilty HGH.

 

[Chris250]

Maybe take a few weeks to cycle down, and go clean for a month...or just do TRT doses (200mg or less) If you plan on doing that, then stay at 200mg for a month (4 weeks) then cycle down to 100mg for 2 weeks, then go clean..do HCG, some torminfene (sp) for a month, then if you can stay clean for atleast 2 more weeks...before going back on...Mike Ross has a good protocol that he believes in...

 

[The Dude]

Do you guys think it would be OK to go down that low? After 4 weeks of 0 test, my blood levels were below 100ng/dl. My body produces 0 test and I've been on HRT for 5 years straight.
Do you guys use other compounds to keep your weight up or do you just deal with the lost weight and strength?

 

[nuknuk]

Do you guys think it would be OK to go down that low? After 4 weeks of 0 test, my blood levels were below 100ng/dl. My body produces 0 test and I've been on HRT for 5 years straight.
Do you guys use other compounds to keep your weight up or do you just deal with the lost weight and strength?

I just deal with it, always have. I love coming all the way off. I stopped cold turkey after the jr usa. I was fucking tired of taking handfulls of pills and being poked. I would recommend using HCG and coming off.

 

[Zeus]

I just deal with it, always have. I love coming all the way off. I stopped cold turkey after the jr usa. I was fucking tired of taking handfulls of pills and being poked. I would recommend using HCG and coming off.

As bad as it might be at first, I plan on doing this exact thing after my show in November. I been on for AWHILE and really need to let my receptors clean out. I think we just get caught up in gaining as much as we can that we forget how important it is to clean out every now and then. I shooting for 2 months but thats gonna be really hard. I also get tired of feeling like a fckn pin cushin all the damn time!!!!!

 

[Presser]

Its been my experience that its not as bad as you think it is when you decide to come totaly off for a while! Now that were older i noticed that I still look dam good without anything in me and even if im not working out for a long period of time, so i would come off completely. People still think I juice and I havent touched shit in ages, and i havent even worked out once since leaving my last gym a couple months ago .

Its the young guys who dont know what they are doing that shrink down to nothing when they come off , where as we been at this a long time and my hard earned muscle aint going NO WHERE! LOL

 

[The Dude]

I guess Im a junkie. I shouldve taken my break when I was forced to take a break from pnemonia and the other things that I had going on in the last month. Silk is very excited to try some new things and I honestly cant deal with getting smaller and weaker even for a little bit at this point. Ive been gaining pretty well from the M1T and added in some Dbol. I also upped the test and Deca. Im hoping Silk will let me get some GH, but I havent asked yet. I probably wont need to as Im sure she will read this. My plan right now is to hopefully get some GH and continue with 4 more weeks of M1t, 6 weeks starting now of Dbol, and Ill run the other two for a month or so after that. At that point Im sure I'll be a little burned out and Silk will also have to come off. At that time I'll stop all AAS and do HCG, Nolvadex, Insulin, and IGF and hopefully maintain all of my size.
Weight is up to 248lbs

 

[SilkQuads]

OK, but what about me??? I wanna try something. I wish I was a guy : (

 

[Rep]

I guess Im a junkie. I shouldve taken my break when I was forced to take a break from pnemonia and the other things that I had going on in the last month. Silk is very excited to try some new things and I honestly cant deal with getting smaller and weaker even for a little bit at this point. Ive been gaining pretty well from the M1T and added in some Dbol. I also upped the test and Deca. Im hoping Silk will let me get some GH, but I havent asked yet. I probably wont need to as Im sure she will read this. My plan right now is to hopefully get some GH and continue with 4 more weeks of M1t, 6 weeks starting now of Dbol, and Ill run the other two for a month or so after that. At that point Im sure I'll be a little burned out and Silk will also have to come off. At that time I'll stop all AAS and do HCG, Nolvadex, Insulin, and IGF and hopefully maintain all of my size.
Weight is up to 248lbs

Bro, thats a lot of quality size for a Dude. I weigh about the same but Im 6'3" and very wide skeleton, so I would need to be 280lb to contend with ya. Looking at your ingrediants there, Id venture to say that it might be the nutrient issue, caloric intake and stuff. You obviuosly have the PhD in AAS and training. Im in a similiar boat. I think my biggest problem is getting in all the calories my body needs to grow. Without those calories, then the AAS just cant do there intended job function. Id like to see someone start a thread about the macros. Anyway, sorry to ramble but tell me if Im on the right track about the food intake bro??

 

[The Dude]

It's getting up there now. I eat about 4500 calories. 325 - 400g of protein and a good amount of fats and carbs. Almost everything is from solid food. I have seen better more consistant gains since I replaced one of my protein bar and snack meals with 2 - 3 Chik Fil A sandwiches and fries Lol... I'm also bringing a good amount of snacks with me that I eat throughout the day.
Food is definately the hardest part for me, but I think I've got a decent meal plan that is working for me.

 

[Chris250]

I would say you could go to 200mg of test, some igf, or hgh...and you will hold it all ...the longer you do that, just hrt doses. once you really go back to what you know what works, you will really start gaining after a few weeks. If you go totally off, you might lose some fullness, and weight. But, I bet you would only lose 10-12lbs at the very most..but that would come, back within the first 2 weeks.

next cycle I think I would just up the test to 750mg, deca or eq keep at 600mg. Tren ace at 75mg EOD...and hgh at 4-5iu's per day, with slin ... im sure that would get you over 260lbs and pretty hard...