HONEST opinions.. This is a Discussion and Let's Think Topic.

[The Deuce]

There is a lot of controversy going around right now on the web of Bodybuilders and heavy AAS users dying young.

What do you think HONESTLY?

Do you believe that dabbling in our world to become the best of the best (or at least striving for it) will lead to a shortened painful untimely death?

Or do you think there are other factors involved?


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My personal thoughts on this is that there is a list compiled of Pro-Bodybuilders + Pro-Wrestlers (all known to be heavy AAS users) dying due to heart related complications. And a lot of people are "Scared" because some assclown leaked this to the multitude of internet steroid forums.. (surprised it has yet to be posted here)..

It is of my personal thoughts that if you take this list and compile it against the number of people who have taken massive amounts of Anabolics in the past and currently you will see that the people who are SURVIVING JUST FINE .. far outweigh that of those who are kicking the bucket at an early age. The number of AAS users that have used AAS in the world .. EVER has got to be somewhere in the 100's of Millions.. this list .. maybe has 100 names. Now that's a very small ratio.. now of course we don't have everyone's name written down somewhere, what they used, how much they used, and for how long.. so we can not devise an accurate enough list to compare.. but let's just say.. out of 100million people .. 500,000 died a short lived life due to massive heart failure. *This are just figurative numbers, but that's just .5% of user dying at a young age*

Does this SCARE me? No.

I think with the lack of accurate information on the subject that we will never know if Steroids will actually play a role in a young death. It will be easy to assume that this is quite a very real possibility ..

I think we all need to think realistically that it is a very likely that AAS will bring us to an early demise. But I think also on the other end, so won't just about anything.. EATING unhealthy for instance will lead to heart disease, drinking alcohol will cause an array of problems from brain issues to liver failure, smoking will bring on even a longer list of associated problems with earlier than normal death - lung cancer, cancer in general, heart disease.. The list goes on.

To me, to justify my usage, I simply say to myself. I use to better my physique because this is MY ROLLER COASTER RIDE.. and I'll be damned if I am going to let anyone or anything tell me to get off. I have Goals, Aspirations, Dreams I am striving to achieve.. I.E.- Being a top-level IFBB Pro. I know this is a little ways into the future. But you have to look to the future. But looking to the future, you can't just examine "THE NEAR FUTURE" I guess I am trying to put the "FULL FUTURE" into perspective..

Let's just say after the next 5 years of my cruising and blasting I earn my PRO-CARD. I compete for the next 10 and eventually earn at least ONE 1st place Victory at a MAJOR EVENT -- Then 10 years from my last Competition.. BANG Tragedy strikes !! Massive Heart attack, I need a Triple Bypass or whatever.. REMEMBER HOW I SAID I LIKE TO LOOK AT THE FULL FUTURE ??

This is 20 years from now.. Do you guys even have a clue what kind of Medical advances we are looking at ?? Our knowledge in every field DOUBLES every year.. so what we do NOW for Heart attacks and all that in 20 years will be information current = X to the 20th Power (exponents here folks) .. by that time.. there could be a PILL we take that flushes our arteries out of all the Junk and build up and return them to normal.. by then .. we could not even NEED Real Hearts anymore.. This isn't science fiction guys.. this is Medical Science Facts!!

This is why AAS don't scare me even IF there was a relationship between them and the longevity of our lives.

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OK, NOW IT'S YOU GUYS TURNS... What are Your Thoughts, Opinions, or Dislikes on this topic.:lurk:

 

[Pharm_Fed]

Of course there are for more factors than just AAS usage. A person genetics will lend themselves toward certain health problems regardless. In addition to that, things that are associated with a person who uses AAS, but not necessarily directly related to AAS usage are factors as well.

High protein diets and hard on the liver, high body mass is taxing on several body systems regardless whether it's muscle or fat contributing to the weight, stress incurred from obsessing over training/diet/supplements/etc takes a toll as well. Not to mention the strain that the body goes through day after day getting abused in the gym all for the sake of growth/progress.

Some things that are directly related to AAS usage, like high blood pressure, possible permanent changes to hormone function, etc are things that may not kill a person but could cause health issues later.

I think it's silly to assume that just because one uses AAS in high doses, or even at all that it will directly and definitely have an impact on that individual's longevity, but it will have some impact. Also, no offense, but justifying heavy usage on the presumption that by the time something goes wrong modern medicine will have advanced enough to make it a moot point is pretty ridiculous. You know the risks, and you use despite them. If you feel the need to justify it, maybe you need to rethink things.

To think using AAS us risk free is just as silly as it is to think using them will kill you. A smart man once said, "Everything in moderation." I try to apply that to my life. Now for someone who wants to turn pro, or just wants to be retarded big and uses heavy, heavy amounts of AAS , death may not necessarily be the ultimate result, but close monitoring of know sides and knowledge of substances used and possible problems should always be part of any bodybuilder's consideration.

 

[jtunderdog]

I would say it all depends on the person. Some people are predisposed to cancer, heart disease, and the like. I also think it depends on what gear you run as well. Certain ones harden the arteries faster. I would say that one look at hulk Hogan proves that it doesn't kill everyone young. Obviously he has ran gear for a long long time and though I don't know his immediate health hes still with us. I can tell you this. I have to get corticos all the time due to a weakened immune system. I guarantee you cortisone is far worse than moderate levels of test. I get high bp if I take a medrol dose pack and have ran 800 mgs of test with deca and had no bp issues. Like I said some people are genetically predisposed to issues like cancer and heart disease. I would also say that long term oral use can not be good as well as the fact that cholesterol levels should be watched closely. I will also say that I know people of a couple runners who had heart attacks. They ran 28 mile marathons and were in great shape. Once again it seems genetically high cholesterol levels and the like could be some of the problems as well.

 

[The Deuce]

Some things that are directly related to AAS usage, like high blood pressure, possible permanent changes to hormone function, etc are things that may not kill a person but could cause health issues later.

I think it's silly to assume that just because one uses AAS in high doses, or even at all that it will directly and definitely have an impact on that individual's longevity, but it will have some impact. Also, no offense, but justifying heavy usage on the presumption that by the time something goes wrong modern medicine will have advanced enough to make it a moot point is pretty ridiculous. You know the risks, and you use despite them. If you feel the need to justify it, maybe you need to rethink things.

To think using AAS us risk free is just as silly as it is to think using them will kill you. A smart man once said, "Everything in moderation." I try to apply that to my life. Now for someone who wants to turn pro, or just wants to be retarded big and uses heavy, heavy amounts of AAS , death may not necessarily be the ultimate result, but close monitoring of know sides and knowledge of substances used and possible problems should always be part of any bodybuilder's consideration.

I think you totally missed my point or are just reading it the wrong way.. I don't necessarily JUSTIFY my use or anyone else's use on MODERN MEDICINE and the advances therein all I am saying is if THERE IS A CONNECTION BETWEEN HEAVY USES AND HEALTH ISSUES By the time it will effect me I AM HOPING that it will be able to save me.

I am not scared of Steroids or hence I WOULD NOT USE THEM. I need them to excel past the genetics that GOD did bless me with.. I will be able to be a MASS MONSTER.. That comes with Risks I know this.. I wasn't looking for an attack on me dude.. it was a discussion. I have run plenty of AAS in my time.. and I will run plenty more. As of right NOW I am in Perfect A++ Health. My BP is 117/78 on 2g's of Test per week + 1g of Tren + 3g's of Primo ... now whether or not that's effecting me in any other form oh well... I AM HEADING FOR THE PROFESSIONAL STAGE !! That requires more than cosmetic dosages, more than your simple 500mgs of test 400mgs of Deca + 40mgs of Dbol..

All I was trying to accomplish with this thread was NOT a bashing on what I SAID.. but on your opinions.. I gave my opinion.. don't give me opinions on what I said... that was not the point.. DON'T ANALYZE what I said.. Analyze the overall question. My opinion isn't the issue up for discussion. God if that's how it's gonna be I'll just edit the thread to say NOTHING!!:curse:

 

[mickdoo]

I feel the true key to AAs use or any drug for that matter is to aim for a therapeutic level.With T levels I always shoot for the upper end of normal. Above and beyond this more bad things can and do happen. I have personally known two heavy AAS users who wound up losing good paying jobs because of their attitudes from the AAS. When you go to extreme levels for a long time you putting undue stress on all major organs with major increases in blood pressure. Long term damage is sure to occur. Testosterone levels were not meant to be run at 10,000 to 20,000. In 80's when we cycled we would use 200 mg deca a week and made good gains. Currently , I have been on hrt for 6 years taking. No sides, except increased body hair on my back. I am hairy like a monkey. Anyway, longevity can be maintained by simply taking a few precautions. Keep blood pressure monitored and low. Get periodical blood tests. Absolutely do not use alcohol when cycling. It also depends on your goals. However I use to do volunteer work at a nursing home. Let me tell you health is your wealth without it you got the big NOTHING sandwich.

 

[Pharm_Fed]

I think you totally missed my point or are just reading it the wrong way.. I don't necessarily JUSTIFY my use or anyone else's use on MODERN MEDICINE and the advances therein all I am saying is if THERE IS A CONNECTION BETWEEN HEAVY USES AND HEALTH ISSUES By the time it will effect me I AM HOPING that it will be able to save me.

I am not scared of Steroids or hence I WOULD NOT USE THEM. I need them to excel past the genetics that GOD did bless me with.. I will be able to be a MASS MONSTER.. That comes with Risks I know this.. I wasn't looking for an attack on me dude.. it was a discussion. I have run plenty of AAS in my time.. and I will run plenty more. As of right NOW I am in Perfect A++ Health. My BP is 117/78 on 2g's of Test per week + 1g of Tren + 3g's of Primo ... now whether or not that's effecting me in any other form oh well... I AM HEADING FOR THE PROFESSIONAL STAGE !! That requires more than cosmetic dosages, more than your simple 500mgs of test 400mgs of Deca + 40mgs of Dbol..

All I was trying to accomplish with this thread was NOT a bashing on what I SAID.. but on your opinions.. I gave my opinion.. don't give me opinions on what I said... that was not the point.. DON'T ANALYZE what I said.. Analyze the overall question. My opinion isn't the issue up for discussion. God if that's how it's gonna be I'll just edit the thread to say NOTHING!!:curse:

Easy bro. I did respond to the topic. There were only a couple sentences directed at what you said and they weren't intended to be malicious at all. You're an adult and you can make your own informed decisions. Read my post again. Maybe I didn't answer it like you'd hoped but I tried to give my opinion on the subject.

 

[The Deuce]

Maybe there's just a whole bunch of misinterpretation going on bro.. my bad.. i wasn't trying to be volatile to you at all brotha man, just moreover trying to let you understand where i was coming from.. lol...

 

[Pharm_Fed]

Maybe there's just a whole bunch of misinterpretation going on bro.. my bad.. i wasn't trying to be volatile to you at all brotha man, just moreover trying to let you understand where i was coming from.. lol...

No worries man, I probably didn't explain what I was trying to say as well as I wanted anyway. haha

 

[The Deuce]

All's good!! Haha, no for real though.. I am excited for Monday.. finally got my doc to sign off on a full blood panel so I can see what's going on in there !! So I can get prepped for the next BIG BANG !!

 

[The Dude]

I agree with The Deuce with one exception. Bodybuilding is a lifestyle, just like any other. We need to factor in the other risk factors inherent in society. Most bodybuilders drink more sparingly than the rest of the population and don't smoke. We have regular BP and blood tests. We don't use recreational drugs. If steroids are the worst thing in our near perfect lifestyle I put all my chips on that one. Life is never gauranteed, but let's be realistic. Steroids kill less people than chicken pox or colds. Steroids still can't even be a "contributing factor" in cause of death reports. Everyone else can have their whiskey on the rocks, I'll take my testosterone straight up and keep it coming!!

 

[dakoteyah27]

Extremely well said, Dude.