Hypothetically...

[saudades]

Okay, most of you know I'm on HRT...now, hypothetically speaking, if I was to do a cycle say of winny and prop, what could I expect in the way of results? Since I'm always on test cyp, would it be like I was only doing a cycle of winny and prop or would it be more test cyp, winny, and prop? I'm probably not making much sense--it's just that I'm always on so I don't really know how my body would react if I was to add something else. Upon reading up on many other's cycles, a dbol, winny, and prop cycle sounds like it would hypothetically be a good mass cycle for me if I can really increase the calories. I dunno...any comments? I've been reading up on many other's cycles and the compounds themselves, but like I said, since I'm always on, what could I expect considering receptor saturation, etc.?

(I should note that this is very generally speaking so dosages would probably be what one would consider normal for a bulk/mass cycle.)

 

[TheElmo]

Well, I am going to take a shot in the dark here. But I would assume that if you are on HRT your Dr. has you on enought so that your test levels are at a "normal" level. So its like you are not taking any juice at all. It is very difficult to say at what level your test is during Hrt since there are many factors that will increase or decrease your test levels. I would say since you are already on test c I would do. 400-500mgs of test c, 300-400 deca and if you want to jump start your cycle with test prop(good shiet) I would do 75-100mgs eod for 4weeks. I am not sure if this was the answer you were looking for but if I read your post correctly this is my advise to you.

 

[saudades]

I've heard that one of the effect of deca is that your dick stops working--I've already got enough of that trouble and wouldn't want to make it worse. Is there anything that could be substituted in its place?

 

[Striker]

You could switch the deca for EQ but deca is best to put on mass and eq is better for definition. About doing a cycle for yu being on HRT I have no idea what you should do so let's hear more bros on this.

 

[TheElmo]

LOL tony, Deca will only give you a limp dick if you don't use any test or not enough. The only thing with deca is that sometimes it shut peoples system down pretty hard and may take time to recover. But since your body doesn't produce test I guess you wouldn't have to worry about it. The only tricky part to this would be figuring out how to come off. Since most people just take clomid then the body reacts to it and starts producing test. Since your body cant do that I don't know how that would work out? bump ya for some more input on the matter

 

[Bignick]

i would think that since you are already artificially putting the cyp in the bloodstream because of your body's innability to do so.....that if you doubled your cyp dosage it would then be as if you were running cyp/prop/winny. But because there is little free testosterone in your body already.....the cyp is actually putting you at a normal hormone level, maybe not even at a androgenic hormone level though. You would then have to look at it as if you were not even taking the cypionate.....as if that were natural test....because that is its purpose......so if you are taking 100mg of cyp a week (hypothetically) you might want to bump it up to 200mg/week so that it would be androgenic and muscle building for you.....other wise you would actually being training naturally...hahahaha funny huh!

 

[brew]

WEll, why prop and winny for bulking? Not that they won't work but thats unusual choices. If I were you I would just up my dose of a long ester to say 1000 a wk or so. I'd forget the winny, or at least not use it till the end. Not a big dbol fan as its just a water retainer IMO. THats were I would opt for the prop say wks 1-3 at 75-100 ED. I like eq in a bulker also, helps increase hunger, that shcool of thought that deca is for bulking an eq is for cutting isn't true.....deit is for cutting. Eq will give you less but better quality gains. If you were to use an oral, I would go with var in the beginning or you could end with your winny ONE OR THE OTHER, not both. I'm rambling on here, but all in all I would do a 12-16 wks of :
test 1g
eq 600-800
Prop begining 1-3 100 ED
IGF after the prop.
You could also end the last 6-8wks with fina and or winny to harden up.

 

[saudades]

Well, I wasn't sure of the availability of eq for me so I was thinking of what else could be used. I seem to build very dense muscle so I didn't see anything wrong with adding a little bit of water weight with dbol, but I agree that eq would be better--that is one I have wanted to try. My own thoughts were this if I were able to get it:
12 wks
Up my test to ~800 (don't want to go as high as 1g -- seems like a lot)
eq 600-800
start IGF and winny for the last 6 weeks

How does that sound?

 

[BiggerStronger]

bro, it would still be like taking test cyp, prop, and winny for us. At some point our natural test production will slow or stop and we replace it with extra amounts of test just as you will do.

 

[da_Fonz]

Yeah, i dont see why your body would react any diff to it from how ours does.

 

[bigworm6]

dont mean to butt in on yalls conv. but striker, check ur pm's, had a question for ya

 

[brew]

bro whats your week dose now?

 

[Flexmaster]

bro whats your week dose now?

300mg/wk i believe.

tony, i like the cycle you have layed out yourself. with our bodytype i think it's very hard to eat enough to gain good size. this is where the eq will help you. EQ is around brotha', just need to keep your eyes and ears open.

the cycle i'd like to see you on is
750wk of enanth
600 EQ
igf+winny

 

[saudades]

I actually increased it to 400 mg/wk a couple of weeks ago--might as well since I can get it easily so to speak.

Flex, do you mean 750 /wk of ethanate in addition to what I already have or change to using ethanate? I could probably change my prescription to ethanate without much trouble. That cycle does sound like it would perfect for me. If I can increase my calories besides, I can see myself getting to 215-220 easily.

 

[saudades]

I don't think I have much sensitivity to test. I've been on HRT for almost six years and haven't had a problem, and I have taken larger doses for a couple of months a couple of times before (upped to 600 mg /wk and the second time, 800 mg /wk although I didn't get a whole lot from it because I couldn't continue that dosage for a longer period of time due to other constraints==money/insurance limitations at the time). I have had a bit of a reaction (some soreness and a tiny bit of lactation but no puffiness) with M1T, but that was because I took it for an extended 'cycle' during IGF. After stopping the M1T and using Femara for PCT, the problem went away.

 

[Flexmaster]

unless someone else says differently i would imagine doing 750mg/wk on top of your hrt dose would be best. my reasoning for this is because you have no natural test production and your hrt dose is in replace of that. therefore that would be like someone like me taking 750mg/week. i would strongly recommend EQ with that only because seeing your pics i know you have a very similar bodytype (ectomorph) to me. i think it is very hard for us to pack in mass amounts of food with this bodytype being so small and "frail".