Need thoughts on TRT issues and ideas on testosterone replacement therapy

[EMW14]

Yeah, whatever my problem is, I'm right over the edge one way or the other. Improved but still not solved. I'll sticknwith what I'm doing for a little while longer if it keeps improving. If not it's time to make anothwr adjustment.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Trust me when I tell u the supplements have helped and improve ratios especially with a trt dose. I always just take them with faith because of what they have done for me in past. I am stopping at supplement shop after I workout get the T1000 I mentioned. Going in gym now. It takes time to adjust and figure it out. I always stick to 2 weeks min before adjusting unless I know I am aromatasing and ai is low compared to previous times or if estro is low like now.
I have had to do this lots of times especially blast and trt cruise. Getting right each time has been a science and I have learned what to do and how to do it. Trust me if u do same and slowly things will fall into place.
As far as what it exactly is??? I just accepted I am fooling with my hormones and having full control of testosterone and androgenic ones but having to inhibit others to offset isn't exactly as easy as the testosterone. Find your own balance is all u gotta do. Cut cortisol and stress manage estrogen to a minimum it is your friend only is bad bad if you go from high high testosterone to none then estro is enemy!!!

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Trust me my friend this problem is a imbalance of ratios and some people have different ratio ranges to be most efficient and functional. Example some guys respond to less than others
50 mg two times a week puts me at 1000 total testosterone everytime. And as far as labs I haven't even looked at myself in 2 years. Dr told me they beautiful and tells me total testosterone #. Since I got my letro right dr doesn't know I take my free testosterone has almost doubled. I have done alot better myself since I stopped trying to read and fix by looking at my labs. That's me though

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Emw, got my T1000 this one works well for me. Like I told u I have ED right now. Will go back to trt dose.
Wanted to tell u what is in t1000 after last blast 6 months ago I gained 5 lbs going back to trt taking t1000 and got ed fixed with letro cut almost completely
T1000 by EPG
Marketed as pct or stand alone
Ingredients per cap:
Androst 3,5-dien-7, 17-dione and grapeseed extract 125mg

Bulbine Natalensis
Eurycoma longifolla
Avena sativa
Epimedium
Mucuna pruriens
N-acetyl cysteine, milk thistle

3b-hydroxy-etioallocholan-17-one 50 mg
And OSTARINE (MK-2866) 12.5

It's 60 caps I take one in morning and one at night of this one.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Been taking the T 1000 since 11-26-16
One cap before morning workout other afterwork at night.
ED gone already libido up.
Dropped test to 100 week trt dose
Letro 2 drops 2 times week so far
Joints getting better
That T1000 combo above works ostarine and arimistane with the dht precursor make me feel like a blast of test!
Hope your ED is getting better. Still think u have low estro and that was the cause. Your biggest mistake imo was trying to control acne with adex. Adex can cause acne and estro is only involved in immune response to acne not the cause.
Hope u making it out ok.

 

[EMW14]

Well, not making out ok with this at all. Another episode this aftenoon. Part of it is definitely memtal at this point, but that's not all of it. Thought I was getting closer, but no. Little fucker came up, tjen went right back down again. That of course, ruins it for both of us. I'm about ready to jump off a fuckin building.

I disagree with you regarding the adex and estro because I used this very combo at exactly the same doses right up to September when I reduced my dose for bloodwork and all was well. Better than well, it was fuckinf fantastic.

So, I'm going back to what has worked in the past: cut my dose, let my test level and other hormones come down, wait a couple weeks and slowly start going back up until the little mother fucker..... fucks.

Meanwhile, I think I'm going to get some masteron amd see if that will bri5the little bastard to life. I've been dealing with this shit for well over 3 months now and I can't fucking take it anymore.

Tell you one thing: when I get back to a good spot, I'm not changing a fucking thing for any reason. If the doc cuts me off because he doesn't like my test level at that point, fuck him, I'll just get my test from ugl's. It's cheaper than my copay anyway!

 

[EMW14]

Been taking the T 1000 since 11-26-16
One cap before morning workout other afterwork at night.
ED gone already libido up.
Dropped test to 100 week trt dose
Letro 2 drops 2 times week so far
Joints getting better
That T1000 combo above works ostarine and arimistane with the dht precursor make me feel like a blast of test!
Hope your ED is getting better. Still think u have low estro and that was the cause. Your biggest mistake imo was trying to control acne with adex. Adex can cause acne and estro is only involved in immune response to acne not the cause.
Hope u making it out ok.

I do appreciate your input and concern, thanks for that.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Hear u brother! I hope it gets better for u one way are another and u can identify the cause.

Since I dropped to trt dose my ed went away in days but was using acetate esters. The T1000 I am currently taking is working well. Don't know what it is but ostarine in it definitely does something for me.

 

[EMW14]

Trust me my friend this problem is a imbalance of ratios and some people have different ratio ranges to be most efficient and functional. Example some guys respond to less than others
50 mg two times a week puts me at 1000 total testosterone everytime. And as far as labs I haven't even looked at myself in 2 years. Dr told me they beautiful and tells me total testosterone #. Since I got my letro right dr doesn't know I take my free testosterone has almost doubled. I have done alot better myself since I stopped trying to read and fix by looking at my labs. That's me though

It's interesting that 100 mg a week gets you to 1000 total test. At 140 a week total (60 mg one dose and 80 the 2nd for total 140) I end up at 850 total test.

And yes, I agree it has to be a ratio or balance issue but I have yet to identify the culprit. Like I've said, I've had success with estro high (like 80) and lower (don't know the number, just that I was usimg adex at ~0.5 mg 2x per week) and was good at that point as well. So I know it's not estrogen. I don't know wtf it is, but I know I'm goddamned fed up amd extremely frustrated.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

It's interesting that 100 mg a week gets you to 1000 total test. At 140 a week total (60 mg one dose and 80 the 2nd for total 140) I end up at 850 total test.

And yes, I agree it has to be a ratio or balance issue but I have yet to identify the culprit. Like I've said, I've had success with estro high (like 80) and lower (don't know the number, just that I was usimg adex at ~0.5 mg 2x per week) and was good at that point as well. So I know it's not estrogen. I don't know wtf it is, but I know I'm goddamned fed up amd extremely frustrated.

I have noticed some guys can take 200 a week and get around same as other at 100. I guess it's just our bodies being a little different. I also continue to get high rbc at 100 mg a week too. Have to donate more often with Dr order. I am back at that 100 and will be here a while Jan 16 I will have lab results at Dr may get them on own from lab. Will tell u my numbers at that dose and my functions.

 

[EMW14]

I just donated red blood cells a couple weeks ago. It's a "double rbc" donation. They put your own plasma back in you after the blood goes through a centrifuge. I wonder if this would be something that would help you with your rbc issue.

As for my issues, I dropped my test dose way down to 100 mg one week amd 80 the next to let all my hormone levels "reset". I'm entering the 2nd week of 160 mg per week injections separated into 2 doses, 80 and 80 Fri and Tues. I seem to be getting closer to where I need to be. Going to stick with this protocol for a few weeks and see how I do.

The other major factor involved at this point is the mental aspect, and/or confidence. My fucking dick hasn't worked right in so long that I seem to automatically assume - or at the very least wonder if - it won't work this time, either. That is just going to take time.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I only can donate thru my order on therapeutic phlebotomy because I have a hep anti-body from an exposure I never knew I was exposed to and my body had cleared it on its own.

I found this out thru viral loads that all came back negative. But they still cannot use my blood except for research and study. No one gets it lol! But with order and Jak 2 gene mutation they do phlebotomy at Dr's order once a year.

I am on my Trt 100 a week haven't had any ed. Taking two drop of letro twice a week (0.66 mg) and t1000 twice a day. Also using yohimbine 6.5 mg a day from Blue up stim version. Only problem is I can't last as long without cumming but numb feeling isn't there that I feel no stimulation and get limp. When I get the ed I am not sensitive at all in that area that makes toes curl when hardly rubbed and I want sex but that Egbg feeling isn't there like when horny and rubbed right. Lol!
It's like dead no sensation and goes limp.

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They won't do double red cause cost to benifit factors at Red Cross on therapeutic throw aways.
They told me United does at $40 on throw aways.

 

[EMW14]

Been a while since I updated this. I decided to try adding mastwron and got a couple vials of mast prop at 100 mg/ml. Test cyp dose has been 160/week split in 2 80 mg doses, Friday/Tuesday. Just went up to 100 mg on Friday, Tuesday will be 80.

The Sarge has shown a few feeble signs of life but nothing impressive.

Added 75 mg mast prop ysterday, 1st shot, and by this morning managed to have sex without a viagra for the first time in a long tim, and probably only the 2nd time since October. It seems the mast is already helping.

If this continues, I'm going to get some mast enth, this way I can keep it to 2 injections per week with my cyp doses.

 

[EMW14]

So last night there was yet another failure in the bedroom. This was a day after my 2nd masteron injection of 75 mg. I'm just about ready to hang myself in the fucking woods. (Being a little dramatic here, not really going to do that...)

Today is time for my 2nd weekly test cyp dose as well as 3rd mast dose. What I decided to do today is try spiking my test level significantly with test prop. Today's injection included 80 mg test cyp, which is my usual dose for today; 75 mg mast prop; and 100 mg test prop. I also took about 1/3 ml of Aquadex to prevent an estrogen spike from the test prop. I fucking hope this works.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Take your time with it.
When I get ED I make my adjustments and try not to think about things for awhile. A week or so. I don't know what it is but if the piece comes too easy or often it makes it worse. And I only am with wife that's it. When we in heat of moment when she is into it, it helps me alot. I get her off rubbing her with it until she begs and that normally works when she is up to it. If it becomes a choir that may end up being disappointed it puts too much pressure on u or I. I have noticed that when it happens I get a numbness to sensation in that area. And my estro is usually a little too low.
Right now I am doing fine it's working everytime. Haven't taken viagra or anything in longtime haven't even filled it. Still at trt 100 wk.--- 50 mon 50 thurs--- with .33 letro on trt dose days. Still taking the t1000 with arimistane and ostarine and stanolone (dht) precursor and other stuff. I was taking the blue up too but ran out I had stronger erection strength while on it by far it contains yohimbine and sbhg binding and lowering stuff in it as well. I also am taking an NO product l-arginine and citrulline and taking another NO agmatine sulfate.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I also wanted to add, right now on trt 100 wk I am having no ED at all. Not one unsuccessful event. The t-1000 was thrown in for ostarine and help with arimistane to help estro subside from Blast back to trt and maint. letro dose.
Well what I wanted to say is my sex drive has went down alot since blast and no ED. When I get ED my drive is high just get ED.??? Also when I get ED I can manage to not have ED on own with porn of woman masturbating but if I don't get really turned on to it then I don't get stimulated enough. I say this as a note that alone no pressure from wife to accuse me of not wanting her and cheating or something. Anyway maybe what I am having is something else I don't know because I have always had to at least beat off a couple times a week no matter how much sex. Whatever it takes to remain faithful or just be honest with myself and y'all whatever it's all good. Next best thing to different I guess. Lol

 

[BigZ]

Looking back on my own experience, as I take my own HRT, I actually have an initially high libido about a day after the injection (at the peak), then libido goes down. It returns to very high about the point that the half life of 7-10 days has passed, and if I still wait a bit longer to take the next shot, libido increases maybe a bit more. There's definitely a correlation between where estrogen and testosterone levels are in relation to each other. If I'm using Cialis during those particular times, I have no trouble with ED at all, but otherwise it's another story even with the Cialis.

 

[EMW14]

Looking back on my own experience, as I take my own HRT, I actually have an initially high libido about a day after the injection (at the peak), then libido goes down. It returns to very high about the point that the half life of 7-10 days has passed, and if I still wait a bit longer to take the next shot, libido increases maybe a bit more. There's definitely a correlation between where estrogen and testosterone levels are in relation to each other. If I'm using Cialis during those particular times, I have no trouble with ED at all, but otherwise it's another story even with the Cialis.

I can totally relate to this. A couple of years ago I moved from one state to anothwr and was having a time finding a doc to continue prescribing TRT for me. The doc I was seeing finally relented but insisted I do it "his way", which meant 200 mg once every 2 weeks. This produced EXACTLY the effect you described. For a couple of days after the shot, strong libido, strong erections. Then it all shut off - completely - at least the erections, which generally kills my libido - then, towards the end of the 2 week period, libido and wrections would come back. I'd take my next shot and go through the cycle again.

When I switched docs to my current one, who is far more knowledgeable and far less rigid - though still very conservative with total T levels - I was doing 160/week in 1x per week injections. I wxperienced the same thing but on a shorter interval. By the end of the 1 week period erections were starting to come back. This is when I decided to try 2x per week injections. I reasoned that the 160/week was sending total test too high and I did 100 mg instead of 160, then followed this with a 60 mg shot 4 days later. This worked great. I bumped up the 2nd shot to 80 mg and found a sweet spot of 100/80.

Probalem is, that puts total test at around 1400, whichbthe doc doesn't like. He wants to see 850. So, twice now, I've backed off to 140/week (80/60) a month before my bloodwork and results pleased the doc. This just isn't enough for me. I can't get it up at that level. At all. Not even any interest. You know your test level isn't right when you're not interested in sex anf just don't give a shit.

Problem is, if I go straight back to the 100/80 it just doesn't seem to work! In the past, I've been able to get back to the sweet spot within a few weeks of fucking around with doses higher or lower, sneak up on the right amount. This time, I just can't seem to get it right! It's been since September and I've had maybe 2 successful erections in that time that didn't require viagra. Cialis doesn't work at all for me and gives me WICKED heartburn, apparently a fairly common side effect of all the vasodilator drugs; viagra usually works but also sometimes gives me heartburn.

I'm currently experimenting with much higher dosing and adding masteron. My normal dosing schedule is Fri 100 mg; Tues 80 mg test cyp. Starting last week I added 75 mg masteron prop EOD. This initially seemed to help but the either the first success was a fluke, or the positive effect faded - maybe I overshot the mark, I don't know. In any case, after 1 week and still no consistent success, I decided to try much higher test dose. I added 100 mg test prop EOD and I increased the mast to 100 mg. My reasoning with the test prop is that it - and any side effects like a wet noodle dick - should clear quickly. I seem to be moving in the right directuon but definitely not there yet. No night time erections yet. Just took my 2nd test/mast injection today (100/100). We'll see what happens.

So far, it seems like every time I've had bad ED from being "too high", good function has returned as I came back down. So, if this doesn't work, I am hoping that as the test prop clears and my levels fall, I'll land in the sweet spot again of 100/80 test cyp, which I am keeping up. So I'm right around 500 - 600 mg total test per week right now, higher than I've ever done before. Haven't had a chance to "try it out", so to speak, with my wife because of busy schedules, etc, as well as the mind fuck aspect on my end - basicall the fear that ot ain't gonna work, which will kill an erection like sticking a pun in a balloon. But, still no night time erections, so I do know I'm not yet "in the zone".

I took about a half mg of Adex with my Tuesday shot; none today, and probably going to keep it to 0.5 1x per week amd see how things go.

Not sure where I'm going from here if this eventually roves to work. I do NOT like the pin cushion effect of EOD - and with tomorrow's test cyp injection it's ED for these 3 days. But we'll see how it plays out.

 

[EMW14]

I also wanted to add, right now on trt 100 wk I am having no ED at all. Not one unsuccessful event. The t-1000 was thrown in for ostarine and help with arimistane to help estro subside from Blast back to trt and maint. letro dose.
Well what I wanted to say is my sex drive has went down alot since blast and no ED. When I get ED my drive is high just get ED.??? Also when I get ED I can manage to not have ED on own with porn of woman masturbating but if I don't get really turned on to it then I don't get stimulated enough. I say this as a note that alone no pressure from wife to accuse me of not wanting her and cheating or something. Anyway maybe what I am having is something else I don't know because I have always had to at least beat off a couple times a week no matter how much sex. Whatever it takes to remain faithful or just be honest with myself and y'all whatever it's all good. Next best thing to different I guess. Lol

Mechanic, the "pressure from wife" angle for me isn't coming from her. Since we found out that my problem was low test 4 years ago, she's been really cool about things. Before that, it was a major issue: "What's wrong? Why don't you want me?" etc. Of course the answer was, "I don't know! " But you know that wasn't an acceptable answer. Now that we both know the problem is testosterone, at least we don't have to deal with those kind of issues. But that doesn't mean it's easy to deal with, for either of us. So, what haopens for me is, even if it comes up, I start to worry it will go back down, which happens, sometimes in the middle of things that should be making it like steel. This worrying or wonderingwill cause it to go down... This is what I mean by the mind fuck. My head attacks me. Wish I could shut THAT fucking thing off sometimes!

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I understand totally my wife knows it's from my trt and extra hormones I take. She still let's it get to her becaus sometimes it happens others it don't but less stress and turn ons that Get ME INTO IT help me to not worry and it heLPS. As a man it bothers me. But I figured alot out knowing it always works when I am alone with the porn. See if don't have to worry about my manly hood alone but I have to find something that turns me on enough. So what I am saying is if she understands or not its u and me as a man the pressure is on