No product without caffeine.

[jtunderdog]

I know Saud said he likes body fortress but I noticed Optimum Nutrition has a product called vassive no formula x that is stimulant free. Chris250 have you tried this stuff. Right now I want to run an eca but I have issues with jitters when I run say noxplode and then take an eca. Anyone else tried this stuff?

 

[Presser]

nah never tryed it brutha? and what doses are you taking of eca that give ya jitters?

 

[saudades]

Is that what I said? I'm getting old, I don't remember. As long as a NO product doesn't have caffeine in it, then I'll use it. It's been hard to find one without it. If Optimum Nutrition has one now, I'll have to try it.

JT, if noexplode has caffeine in it, and you take eca, it's no wonder you'd get jittery. It's the overload of caffeine that would do it. I think you'd be fine as long as the NO product you're taking doesn't have any caffeine.

 

[jtunderdog]

Yep that was my point. I don't want to take an eca and caffeine containing no products. Overdosing on caffeine. I appreciate the input. I noticed that three scoops of nano vapor was 330 mgs of caffeine alone. Drop in an eca that has 300 more mgs and you have the recipe for heart palpitations, jitters, anxiety, you get the idea. I am looking for a way to curb the old appetite but not lose the no pumps.

 

[highside]

I use Plasma Jet, but only because I bought a bunch of it for cheap.

 

[jtunderdog]

I had some of the samples of plasma jet and when I took the full dose I flushed really bad.

 

[highside]

I have never taken the full dose, but I have heard the same thing before. I take half the dose on workout days.

I had some of the samples of plasma jet and when I took the full dose I flushed really bad.

 

[Get_Swole]

I dont use any of them creatine and protein for me, havent found one i actually cared for yet.

 

[MrPerfect]

vassive is ok, had caffiene, but nothing too crazy. try it out bro