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saudades
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I'm to the point that sometimes after drinking my protein, I will go hypoglycemic within 30 minutes. This sucks!
saturn1
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Are you talking about a zero carb type protien drink? Normally I would say thats odd but this year ive been hit by hypo and it's a strange feeling.
Thing is ive gone hypo on zero carb and on cheat days.....I cant come to any conclusion but I did take metformin to make insulin receptors more sensitive and that seems to have helped.....although that would imply syndrome X or early onset diabetes.......Shit I hope thats not the case.
Thing is ive gone hypo on zero carb and on cheat days.....I cant come to any conclusion but I did take metformin to make insulin receptors more sensitive and that seems to have helped.....although that would imply syndrome X or early onset diabetes.......Shit I hope thats not the case.
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saudades
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This is my whey protein that is causing it, and yes, I believe there are no carbs in it. I usually take some carbs after drinking it, but the hypo effect is getting stronger, and I've had to take more carbs just bring myself back up.
ballsoutpunk
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saudades - are you checking your blood sugar with a monitor? If you haven't already invested in one, it might be a good time to make a purchase. I'm not sure what about protein would cause a person to go hypo, but I've heard of weirder things. I'd say to see a doctor if meter readings are low. The doctor will also want to see meter reading results before investigating any further. Better safe than sorry!
One more thing to ask - are you sure you're not just feeling the effects of really going at it hard in the gym? The feeling I get after a really hard workout is similar to how I feel at the first symptoms of going hypo. Just asking - I don't know if you only use shakes PWO, but that could explain it and would be a lot less alarming than abnormal insulin levels.
One more thing to ask - are you sure you're not just feeling the effects of really going at it hard in the gym? The feeling I get after a really hard workout is similar to how I feel at the first symptoms of going hypo. Just asking - I don't know if you only use shakes PWO, but that could explain it and would be a lot less alarming than abnormal insulin levels.
Hey bro if you need a monitor I can send you a contour. I have 8 of em. Unfortunately the test strips are what are expensive. You can always use slin pins to lance with. Way cheaper than those lancets. If you need one let me know. I would be glad to send you one. Hypo is scary. I know you were on tren, are you still? Sounds like metabolic issues to me. If it keeps up I would get a thyroid panel and the other metabolic rates ran. Your thyroid may be overactive or could be a million other things as well.
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saudades
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I do have a glucose monitor. I've had it for more than a year now, one of the Ultra mini ones. These symptoms happen whether I'm on AAS for a cycle or just my regular HRT dose.
I've been to see an endocrinologist, even showed him the readings on my meter, and he pretty much said there wasn't anything he could do. I've been tested for a full panel, including thyroid, IGF, HGH, etc. My thyroid actually was on the low end of normal but within range. IGF was normal. Now, for the HGH test, when he showed me the results, they turned it into a scale of 0 to 1 with my measurement being 0.1 on that scale. That really doesn't tell me much except that to me, that measurement looks low.
I'm seeing another doctor in January who is willing to try things, and since we know that HGH increases blood sugar, I'm going to ask him to put me on HGH. Theoretically, it should help balance things out. I go hypo pretty much every morning now after my protein shake--pretty much after my shake at any time, not related to the gym. Sometimes it isn't too bad, and sometimes it is awful, like this morning. I had to pull off to the side of the road because I was about to pass out. It also happens less frequently from regular meals. I'm starting to find that if I take some simple carbs after the the shake, it lessens the severity. The funny thing is that it can't be before or with the shake. It has to be after. I have no idea why.
I've been to see an endocrinologist, even showed him the readings on my meter, and he pretty much said there wasn't anything he could do. I've been tested for a full panel, including thyroid, IGF, HGH, etc. My thyroid actually was on the low end of normal but within range. IGF was normal. Now, for the HGH test, when he showed me the results, they turned it into a scale of 0 to 1 with my measurement being 0.1 on that scale. That really doesn't tell me much except that to me, that measurement looks low.
I'm seeing another doctor in January who is willing to try things, and since we know that HGH increases blood sugar, I'm going to ask him to put me on HGH. Theoretically, it should help balance things out. I go hypo pretty much every morning now after my protein shake--pretty much after my shake at any time, not related to the gym. Sometimes it isn't too bad, and sometimes it is awful, like this morning. I had to pull off to the side of the road because I was about to pass out. It also happens less frequently from regular meals. I'm starting to find that if I take some simple carbs after the the shake, it lessens the severity. The funny thing is that it can't be before or with the shake. It has to be after. I have no idea why.
ballsoutpunk
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I'm just curious - since whey is all you've mentioned, does this occur exclusively with whey? Do you experience the same symptoms if you only eat something like red meat with a glass of water? If not, I think your doctor will likely suggest that you just switch to another form of protein instead. There's also a good chance that your new doctor may be unwilling to prescribe hGH since it's starting to be viewed as an unnecessary life extension fad because of Hollywood clinics; that is, unless your IGF-1 levels are low, too. Low IGF-1 is one of the more definitive signs of low GH secretion. If your IGF-1 levels are low, he probably won't have a problem prescribing hGH. I do know that if your insurance company foots the bill for hGH, I'll be jealous!
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saudades
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It happens with other proteins, and it happens with regular meals, too, although not as frequently. I've eaten a large pasta meal and gone hypo, for example. As I said, this doctor is willing to try things (alternative remedies, unusual approaches), so I'm hoping he will at least try it for a period of time to see if it helps.
saturn1
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Shit I went hypo on GH (first dose really bad).......I took metformin 500mg and finally no hypo for a couple weeks.
It's odd that a few of us here went hypo this year and about the same time.
What are your meter readings? I have a meter but I dont have the damn manual...it's a one touch. My readings have varied by a big margin 47 lowest 98 highest. Do you guys know what the low, normal, high readings are---the number range?
It's odd that a few of us here went hypo this year and about the same time.
What are your meter readings? I have a meter but I dont have the damn manual...it's a one touch. My readings have varied by a big margin 47 lowest 98 highest. Do you guys know what the low, normal, high readings are---the number range?
Try taking some chromium (200mcg a day). Sounds like you have reactive hypoglycemia. Usually hi protein low carb diets help suppress the symptoms, but you may have some unknown food allergies. There was also a study that showed high protein diets suppress the body's ability to process sugar because of increased insulin levels.
You might also want to consider adding some more fiber in your diet. I'd recommend asking your doc to check your pituitary for adrenal insufficiency. Have you been running any peptides for a sustained length?
You might also want to consider adding some more fiber in your diet. I'd recommend asking your doc to check your pituitary for adrenal insufficiency. Have you been running any peptides for a sustained length?
ballsoutpunk
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According to MedLine, 60-100mg/dL after a 12 hour fasting period.
Without fasting, a normal healthy range throughout the day is 60-120mg/dL. Eating more sugar will cause bigger swings, but even after eating high sucrose meals, a healthy person probably shouldn't fall far outside of this range.
During a normal day without fasting, if it gets up to 150mg/dL, you should be concerned about diabetes. Less than 50mg/dL isn't necessarily an emergency, but action should be taken to increase blood glucose at this level.
ballsoutpunk
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This site has a list of possible causes. Unless this started when you were young, you can rule out those causes; unless you've had gastric bypass or other gastric surgery, you can rule out those causes; it's not due to exogenous slin or diabetes drugs, so you can rule those out; it's not alcohol-induced; and it's not strictly due to eating sugars, so you can rule out the problems tied to that; and you can probably rule out autoimmune causes just because they're so rare. That pretty much leaves this: defective counterregulatory responses such as deficiencies of growth hormone, glucagon, cortisol, or autonomic responses. Everything except "autonomic responses" should be able to be ruled out based on blood tests. Your new doctor should be able to figure it out with thorough testing. It could be GH related, but again, that would be rare with normal IGF-1 levels.
Maybe even if IGF-1 is within range, (s)he'll still give GH a shot, but I feel like the the time when the DEA starts to crack down hard on GH prescriptions won't be long in coming, and if I were him/her, I'd be nervous about writing GH scripts for off-label uses. (S)he will probably be more likely to give it a try and not run into trouble down the road if he works at an institution that carries out a good deal of research and if he's published a lot. Personally, I believe that the 1st Amendment gives us the right to put whatever the hell we want in our bodies, but the DEA doesn't agree. Therefore, what doctors are willing to do often depends on their reputation in academia and their government connections. It's bullshit, but it's all politics in the end.
The real good news is that your issue can almost certainly be treated with the help of a caring doctor. I doubt you have to worry about it getting worse or developing into something else over time. I hope your new doc takes the time to figure it out and doesn't dismiss it like the last one seemed to. While I don't think you're at much risk from a disease standpoint, I certainly don't want to downplay the risk of you getting injured in an auto accident or in any other situation where being incoherent is extremely dangerous. That is certainly a problem, and if you're paying a doc to diagnose and treat the problem, that's what (s)he should do, even if it involves a little experimenting with GH.
ballsoutpunk
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No prob! I'd been meaning to read up on it myself, so this thread came along at just the right time.
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saudades
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The lowest I have tested was 43, and I don't think I've ever tested above 100, and that's and hour or two after a meal. It should be as high as 110-120 as a normal random reading, higher than that after eating.
My little sister went into a blood sugar induced coma for a few hours when her bs went below 40. My typical bs is between 80 and 120. When I was on celltech it would jump from lower 80 to the 130 range but that is the highest reading I ever got. Now when I was on igf (and will be for pct soon) it read below 70 a couple times and I went hypo and that scared the crap out of me. Matter of fact I think some of you guys told me what was going on. It sounds like you are definitely gonna have hypo issue if you never get above 100.
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saudades
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I read through the article, and I find interesting that it mentions hypopituitarism, which is the second time I've heard that term related to hypoglycemia. My sister has been going through testing and trying to get treatment for high cortisol levels. She apparently may have a mild form of Cushing's so she isn't fat like most people are with this disease which made it really hard to diagnose. She was telling me that her condition and my condition can be related to hypopituitarism. This sister and another sister are also having thyroid issues with one sister having part of her thyroid removed. I have low testosterone myself, and I can remember having trouble doing any kind of fasting even back when I was really young. These hormone issues seem to run in the family. That's why I'm hopeful that the doctor will let me try GH.
Unfortunately, it is getting worse. It comes on like clockwork now every morning and evening whereas last year, it would sometimes skip a few days. I get scared that I'd be in a coma in the morning, and my wife wouldn't be able to wake me up, or I'd pass out while driving (which almost happened yesterday). That is why I set the appointment with this other doctor.
ballsoutpunk
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^^^This part makes it a lot more troublesome. I really do hope your doctor spends the time necessary to come up with a solution.
It's not good that other people in your family are dealing with similar problems, but it triples the chances that one of the doctors will accurately diagnose the problem. Unfortunately, hypopituitarism doesn't define exactly what hormones are low, what the triggers are, or any of the other details. It's kind of a catch-all, but at least you and your family members' doctors have a working diagnosis to start trying to plan a treatment for. Let us know how it goes with your doc and be careful in the meantime, especially while driving. I'm sure that you already do this, but keep juice or glucose tabs on hand. Take meter readings and keep a log - that will be very helpful to your doc.
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