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I subscribe to a site called shadow government statistics. This guy does stats real time not the bull shit the government puts out. The government just changed the way they calculate GDP numbers. If you do not know what GDP is , get some learning for crying out loud.

here it is

ShadowStats-Alternate GDP. The ShadowStats-Alternate GDP estimate for second-quarter 2013 is a 1.8% annual contraction, versus a headline year-to-year gain of 1.4%. The alternate first-quarter estimate remains 2.0% year-to-year contraction, versus the revised headline gain of 1.3%, which previously was 1.6% (see the Alternate Data tab). While annualized real quarterly growth is not estimated formally on an alternate basis, a quarter-to-quarter contraction once again appears to have been a realistic possibility for second-quarter 2013, as it has been for most quarters since the official second-quarter 2009 end to the recession.
Adjusted for gimmicked inflation and other methodological changes, the business downturn that began in 2006/2007 is ongoing; there has been no meaningful economic rebound.
 
The economy is a Joke. There has been no real growth in the economy. The measure of GDP is a combination of all spending both Public( ie the Govt federal and states) and Private(Consumer). Add them together and you have the amount of money is sum spent in the Economy.

There has been no real growth in the US Economy since late 2005. If the Federal Govt would balance the budget instead of running up 1.5 Trillion Dollar deficits every year for the past 5 years we would still be in recession or technically a depression. We cannot continue year after year spending money we dont have by printing/digitizing. This is going to destroy the dollar. But this is their plan all along. To bring people to their knees and make them 100% dependant on the Govt. That way people will be begging for a total take over by Govt.

Pull your chin strap nice and tight folks, the next few years are going to be a real bump ride.
 
You are right and it's sad that a lot of people are falling for this like lemmings....
 
OK so I know I am the minority in the political opinion base here, however this is the shit that is killing me
-----Beef being now lab produced? leading to what other than all the beef farmers being fucked and out of jobs.
-----This is 1 small example of technology destroying jobs and leaving mor people with NO choices other than unemployment and disability
~~~~Obesity was voted in as a disease now. How many do you surmise get fat just to get disability? I see plenty doing this, which fucks health care workers to break theor backs for these fat shits
~~~~The middle class is almost completely erased, if you think History repeats itself read up on Rome, and see how this plan worked out for them. There is no longer a real line of difference between middle class and govt assisted families, which I believe is put into place for class wars to break out, even if it only stays at a verbal level.
@@@@@@ The future seemingly holds much less jobs with a higher population.
@@@@@@ Many ppl have an opinion here of there should be no govt assistance but in reality if there isn't there WILL absolutely be more violent crimes, and no I am not sticking up for that fact, it is simply a fact.
------- Jobs being created are all low wage jobs and part time jobs, rendering ppl to not spend money which ultimately keeps everything running well
~~~~~ A lot of ppl have the "if you don't like it, than leave it" attitude, when realistically if you led your life by those values, you would 1) not agree on how this Country was founded 2) not care about your family that does not or can not move as well 3) be able to leave knowing that's the last time you will see that/those people alive, you'd quit basically everything you ever have started etc
***** I don't see how this turns around, unless we go to war with China to get rid of all that debt, which everyone says well how or why would we do that, not realizing that one single staged act leads everyone into such a rage they don't intelligently weigh the reasoning, as much as they want revenge.
****** I don't see how there are more jobs in the future at all wen basically every invention out there is determined on the basis of a new do it yourself in a easy manner rather than having someone else do it, or the invention does it itself. Who is to say a mcdonalds in 15 years cant be run robotic-ally with someone who just stocks the pieces of meat bread etc into the correct slot. That example alone would be a retarded amount of ppl out of work, need prove----------------- The self checkout lanes, what has that done for job growth? I do not use them for a reason.
Rant over for now----- everything starts at a verbal level, to possibly widen the eyes of the few to lead by what they see, and these are not opinion based observations.
 
Technology does not destroy jobs. It enhances productivity, big difference.

Metal read about the Luddite Fallacy.
 
So Metal you think Beef Farmers will be out of jobs in 20 years and Robots will be the new farmers. Lets expand on that...

Let say for a moment that your statement is 100% true that Robots will be in control of beef farming in the future. I made the statement that technology increases productivity in the fact that robots can work 24-7-365 this is a true statement. Robots do not need health insurance, do not get pregnant, come to work late, take smoke breaks or go on FMLA or have slip and fall accidents at work. So if your statement were to be true, robots would be a more efficient way to slaughter cattle and help increase production and help feed more people I would argue.

Now as for the jobs angle, people have to build the robots in state of the art factories, perform maintenance, write the programming and even build the machines that build the robots. Then you have to transport them to the slaughter house and farms. More jobs are created, and more people being fed because of the increase in productivity than just people with simple hand tools slaughtering cattle.

If technology did not increase productivity people would be digging ditches with spoons instead of excavators and bull dozers. Again people have to build, maintain and service the bull dozers. More jobs created, just in different capacities.

I suggest you read Henry Hazlitts Economics in One Lesson. Also read anything Von Mises, Murray Rothbard, Thomas Sowell, and best of all ANYTHING Milton Freedman.
 
So Metal you think Beef Farmers will be out of jobs in 20 years and Robots will be the new farmers. Lets expand on that...

Let say for a moment that your statement is 100% true that Robots will be in control of beef farming in the future. I made the statement that technology increases productivity in the fact that robots can work 24-7-365 this is a true statement. Robots do not need health insurance, do not get pregnant, come to work late, take smoke breaks or go on FMLA or have slip and fall accidents at work. So if your statement were to be true, robots would be a more efficient way to slaughter cattle and help increase production and help feed more people I would argue.

Now as for the jobs angle, people have to build the robots in state of the art factories, perform maintenance, write the programming and even build the machines that build the robots. Then you have to transport them to the slaughter house and farms. More jobs are created, and more people being fed because of the increase in productivity than just people with simple hand tools slaughtering cattle.

If technology did not increase productivity people would be digging ditches with spoons instead of excavators and bull dozers. Again people have to build, maintain and service the bull dozers. More jobs created, just in different capacities.

I suggest you read Henry Hazlitts Economics in One Lesson. Also read anything Von Mises, Murray Rothbard, Thomas Sowell, and best of all ANYTHING Milton Freedman.


It's funny how much right wing ppl will defend farmers, and now the opinion is completely changed. I didn't say it will destroy all jobs, there WILL be less jobs. Take the hypothetical 100 farmers to the now 80 'robot maintenance and machine runners' that's a drop. Take the 100 people it took to dig a huge hole to the now 1 person it takes to run the backhoe. OK now there will be maintenance and production of that vehicle, it will still never account for the numbers. Which is not a bad thing in whole bc who wants to do that slave labor, its just simply used as an example.
All I see is jobs disappearing left and right, and the only 'new' jobs being created are low wage.
Instead of having 10 RN's making $25 bucks an hour on a floor they will have 1 RN 1 LPN and 3 CNA's with the CNA makin half the RN's wage and the LPN in the middle= lss money out put, less jobs, less spending money----this is not an opinion based figure.
Instead of paying Radiologic Technologists their wages they get by by having the lower paid MA do 'part' of the job again at half the wage and ppl spendig less money---- again fact not a maybe.
****Now we also have obesity considered a disease process, what does this mean?
Unemployed ppl with half a brain will get fat and collect a disability check which equals less ppl making money, and insurance laying out more which equals regular peoples insurance premiums to go up
As well as
Health care workers not being able to maintain there 'time frames' to get procedures done bc the typical 5 foot tall lady is no longer 110 lbs but 300 lbs, so this gives reason for companies to fire the 10 year hired paid employee in states like mine for not keeping the time frame in the range they want, and hiring the constantly growing line of awaiting new staff to make 15% less money and do the same job, ad when they dont work out it goes back into that same cycle.
The only thing I foresee pulling us out of this huge rut (sadly) is a War, generating jobs and possibly (lets say for example going to war w China) eliminating our debt to that Country, or (like the last 20 years) going into war to take a strong hold on a valuable fossil fuel.
I do not intend this to argue, I really do not.
It scares the hell out of me bc this is what I predict happening.
I am not a farmer, that doesn't directly effect me.
I am not a trench digger, so same thing.
I just am seeing less and less jobs at a stagnant wage with costs of everything around it rising at a consistent level = less money for the individual.
There is almost no advocating bodies for employees anymore, and when you speak of them the general population wants to string you up.
I would love to hear anyone's opinions, or much more so facts, to enlighten me into a more positive train of thought. I don't want to have a negative out look but I do as of now, everything is looking bleak to me.
Cheno you live in a place where individual business's can do very well, everyone I know with one works over the taxes and makes out very well, they do work hard though. As far as careers go it doesn't look good. When everyone starts jumping on the band wagon for landscaping or what have you, than the bidding gets way worse, but more people can afford to get more things.
Thank you for your input, and let's keep it on this level, please everyone. I am too tired for the pissing match point finger stuff.
 
Man you are all over the place. I can tell by your post you have not read anything I suggested. BTW I am not "right wing" :-/

War does not create jobs. It a massive waste of lives and natural resources. It destroys wealth and lives, that is all. Beating plow shears into swords has never saved an economy. Again I suggest you read Economics in one lesson, more specifically the chapter on The Broken Window.
 
Metal, you are a part of a large population of people on the verge of having their eyes opened, but there is still something you are holding into.
Left Wing Right Wing... we are past that. We have a tyrannical system of Govt that is trying to put the last few nails in the coffin of our freedoms.
NONE OF THIS WORKS. We now have 47% of the population thriving ON THE INCOME AND LABOR OF OTHERS!! This is fundamentally flawed and goes against the basic laws of our existence.
You worry about jobs and productivity. How about we stop funneling money to these ass clowns in charge as they usurp our freedoms and stop sending 3 - 4k a month to the Jaquanda family who is raising 4 convicted Felons with not a single worker in the family?
Think of it. 30 - 40% of the income or value of each productive member of society actually going to a legitimate purpose!
The sad part is that there will be a collapse. There has to be a collapse for us to realign ourselves. When Govt becomes to involved, societies fail. We have seen it all through recorded history. Look at the big picture brother.
 
Metal, you are a part of a large population of people on the verge of having their eyes opened, but there is still something you are holding into.
Left Wing Right Wing... we are past that. We have a tyrannical system of Govt that is trying to put the last few nails in the coffin of our freedoms.
NONE OF THIS WORKS. We now have 47% of the population thriving ON THE INCOME AND LABOR OF OTHERS!! This is fundamentally flawed and goes against the basic laws of our existence.

This is true. There is no left wing or right wing. The Oligarchy in charge of this country has people thinking there is good side vs a bad side. There is only freedom or force. Govt is force.

What the Dude says is SOOOO true. There will be a collapse. There will be a reckoning.
 
I believe all of that as well with the different 'sides' it has always been the better of the 2 bad sides you have to choose, and more recently ppl are realizing that the fore players are not the end all of what is or isn't happening. I believe there will be a collapse as well, and thats why on here multiple times on different threads have used Rome as the comparison.
 
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