Stagnation, plateau, receptor downregulate, body adapt

[lachu543]

Hi,

It's my first post in Muscle Chemistry forum so welcome! : - ) I think i find forum with very experienced and helpful users! I want to hear something about:


What do you think about use one compound for more time than "normally"? For example: npp/tren.

Most often the normally cycle with NPP / Tren Ace is 8-12 weeks. People end cycle after that time often from health or sides reasons. And it's good choose of course.

But... any people don't have bad sides, they are good tolerate this compounds and can run it more time.

What do You think about run this same compound more time i.e NPP in steady dose. For example 500mg for 6-9 months? Do You think NPP will be stop work after any time on steady dose ( something like receptor downregulate or body adapting to steroid )?

I red too that more time you are using the more you can have benefit from it...

And i say again: we don't talk about health reasons

Your's exepiernce? Does anyone run one compond in steady dose for a long time with good results?

 

[big in vegas]

I think you could certainly get away with running NPP every other day for long periods of time. Just from a personal standpoint, I don't think I'd want to pin anything everyday for a longer period than 3 months. That'd just drive me crazy, I'm not saying you couldn't do it, I'd just go with EOD if I was to run it that long.

Sides would have to play a big factor in it, if you're not showing any terribly bad signs, I'd continue to run it. I just always advise before/during/after a cycle to check your blood work so that you aren't doing any serious damage. It's not a bad thing to keep everything at the front of your focus, especially if you're going to run an actual cycle for that long and not just run TRT levels

And for the record, I ran TPP/NPP/M1T together and loved the results. I only ran it for 8 weeks together, but I loved it. The results came fast and furious on that. I've also ran TNE/NPP together with good results as well, but I only ran it for 6 weeks.

 

[Presser]

welcome to MC and i think the guys who use long term are using testosterone long term, and they usually switch up the other stacked compounds after a few months. As to your question, yes i would think your receptors would be saturated at 9 months of NPP, and would highly suggest switching compounds regularly if your going to go the long cycle route, which in my opinion the longer cycles do yield better results

 

[nuknuk]

you would get no more gains running it 3-4 months than you would running it 9 months. Now with that being said, 5 more months of training, eating, etc. ya you might think its till doing wonders but not near as great as the beginning.

 

[lachu543]

I was to that time on blast&cruise. I tried a lot of compounds. I'm convinced about that i have better results from 350mg tren ace than 500-750mg npp/deca/bold. The plus of it is that i don't have any sides from this dose of tren ( only one is sweating but it's not big trouble for me, i can live with it ). I'm doing full blood work every 4 weeks becouse i have it for free When i care about prophylaxis i don't have any problem with health on this dose of tren too so...

I thought about running it in bulking/lean mass time straight in cutting time ( totality maybe 6, 8, 9, 12 months? ) without changing dose. But i wanted to ask first about any plateau or something like tren will be stop working after any time.

So... maybe someone experienced something about it? : )


Yes, it's of course normally. It's always easier and faster to gain from 170lbm to 200lbm than from 200lbm to 220lbm...

I mean about "work" of compound. Something like hmm... for example we are taking 400mg tren week. This steroid is work in 6 week very well, but what about 24 week? Of course we will be have more muscles after that time, so we will be closer our genetic level so it will be harder to make more muscles. But will Tren be work this same well? The protein synthesis, food utilization etc. will be always on this same level?

 

[nuknuk]

anything u take for months and months straight will lose its effectiveness and you will plateau. If this wasnt the case, everybody would gain 10lbs a month while still on and be a bunch of Kai Greene's walking around. The body does have limits.

 

[lachu543]

It's of course true.

But do You think it can hit after 9, 12 months?

I think no... cuz bodybuilding is very long way, people need a lot of years to get good build. If this thing hit after only one year of straight use for example 525-700mg tren ace what is "normally" dosage in this world right now how many mgs people will be must pin after 5, 10 years of usage gear? 5g tren week? 10g tren? There are people who can make progress on this same dosage with 10+ years experience with Bodybuilding Lifestyle so i don't think it is fast way to hit plateau from one dosage.

Do You agree?

 

[nuknuk]

It's of course true.

But do You think it can hit after 9, 12 months?

I think no... cuz bodybuilding is very long way, people need a lot of years to get good build. If this thing hit after only one year of straight use for example 525-700mg tren ace what is "normally" dosage in this world right now how many mgs people will be must pin after 5, 10 years of usage gear? 5g tren week? 10g tren? There are people who can make progress on this same dosage with 10+ years experience with Bodybuilding Lifestyle so i don't think it is fast way to hit plateau from one dosage.

Do You agree?

never said you would need to increase dosage, but If you dont think you will hit a plateau while just using one drug at the same dosage for many months straight, you are wrong, you will. If you can grow off of low dosages you will always be able to grow off of low dosages, but you will need to cycle to let your body recover.

 

[lachu543]

nuknuk, are You trying something like that? I mean steady dosage of one compound use for 9-12 months straight?

And next question; can it be something like body adapt to anabolic:androgenic ratio but not to specific compound and maybe one of option to avoid stagnation can be add for example any oral for few weeks to change anabolic:androgenic ratio which you are pin to body but with staying on this same dose with this compound i.e NPP?

 

[Presser]

no bro adding an oral or anything else will NOT help you keep gaining from another separate compound your running for long periods of time, bottom line is as has been stated already, your receptors get saturated and you need to switch it up, not add another compound on top of it,

 

[nuknuk]

no bro adding an oral or anything else will NOT help you keep gaining from another separate compound your running for long periods of time, bottom line is as has been stated already, your receptors get saturated and you need to switch it up, not add another compound on top of it,

thanks Presser, I wasnt even going to respond back to the guy. Felt like we where just going in circles.

 

[Presser]

Lol tell me about it

 

[Millennial Monster]

http://www.musclechemistry.com/uplo...fessional-bodybuilder-steroid-guide-list.html

Just look at a Mr Olympia 14 week cycle. This person switches the compounds up every 4-5 weeks. Yer talking crazy with that 24 week cycle stuff. Your testicles would shut down you would be on TRT for the rest of your life after your first cycle....!