Test and females athletes

[IanWright]

Hi guys,

People often say that if a woman is particularly keen to run test then prop is the best option because the ester has the shortest half life and will clear more quickly should sides shows. With this being the main concern why is suspension not seen as better than prop as it clears far far more quickly?

If a women wanted to run test suspension what is the likelihood of sides if she did 25mg every 5-7days for a period of, say, 6 weeks? What kind of strength gain would she likely see from that cycle?

Thanks

Ian

 

[Ox 51]

Hi guys,

People often say that if a woman is particularly keen to run test then prop is the best option because the ester has the shortest half life and will clear more quickly should sides shows. With this being the main concern why is suspension not seen as better than prop as it clears far far more quickly?

If a women wanted to run test suspension what is the likelihood of sides if she did 25mg every 5-7days for a period of, say, 6 weeks? What kind of strength gain would she likely see from that cycle?

Thanks

Ian

Are you a lady, Ian? I know both guys and girls named Ian, so I don't know. Some of the guys on here can probably help you, but hopefully Jenn will come on and see your question. She is an amazing female bodybuilder and could give you good advice either way.

 

[IanWright]

Hope she sees it and replies!

No I'm a man...asking on behalf of someone.

Thanks buddy.

 

[Presser]

suspension sides are far worse, and a women would see hair growth, deeper voice, enlarged clit ect much much faster.

 

[The Dude]

suspension sides are far worse, and a women would see hair growth, deeper voice, enlarged clit ect much much faster.

Agreed. And the simple answer as Jenn will attest to is that if you are concerned with sides, you simply do not use test. Period. There will be sides with any ester or esterless version regardless of dosage.

 

[05madmax05]

dont hang me for this but, my girlfriend asked a similar question to aid with her goals. I simply had her watch "one night in chyna" and then asked is this for you? long story short the test scenario is out, now its short cycle low dose var shes curious about. she'll never learn.

 

[Presser]

dont hang me for this but, my girlfriend asked a similar question to aid with her goals. I simply had her watch "one night in chyna" and then asked is this for you? long story short the test scenario is out, now its short cycle low dose var shes curious about. she'll never learn.

lol, thats all it took to change her mind,lol. I think var is a great supplement for women to take, so has she started this yet or is she going to?

 

[IanWright]

Thanks guys, I really appreciate the advice.

The girl I'm asking on behalf of has running oral winny for 6 wks at 20mg a day and noticed no sides but also minimal, if any, strength benefit. I'm 100% confident it was legitimate given the source.

Do you think she'd do better on Var? Similar dose?

Thanks

Ian

 

[Presser]

Thanks guys, I really appreciate the advice.

The girl I'm asking on behalf of has running oral winny for 6 wks at 20mg a day and noticed no sides but also minimal, if any, strength benefit. I'm 100% confident it was legitimate given the source.

Do you think she'd do better on Var? Similar dose?

Thanks

Ian

yes i think she would be better off on var, plus she can do a higher dose then she would be able to with sinny as winny is pretty harsh on men and women. So I would say 20mg daily is very safe and she could even go a bit higher without experienci8ng any sides other then strentgh and physical appearance

 

[nuknuk]

I think the big question here to ask is what are her goals? be a bodybuilder? If the answer to that is no, then stay away from test. If she is just looking for strength, then Im sure she can adjust her training program for that.

 

[Jenn]

I think the big question here to ask is what are her goals? be a bodybuilder? If the answer to that is no, then stay away from test. If she is just looking for strength, then Im sure she can adjust her training program for that.

Okay guys I am back from my cruise and sick as hell but I will try to help. I so agree with NukNuk. Number one what are her goals? If she does not have plans or the genetics to go pro and do well at that level then I would stay completely away from all test. There are always side effects and I can tell you that from personal experience. There are side effects from other drugs as well. Hair loss, hair growth, deepening of voice, enlarged clit (not a bad thing lol), DO NOT go away if you stop taking whatever started it. Those are permanent. Acne can be a problem but I only get acne when I go off. I actually do not think people should take any gear unless they have plans for competing in bodybuilding, powerlifting etc and can do well. I know people still do so if she wants to still take something I would stay away from test. I have had to deal with a lot of side effects and it is ok with me (most of the time) because I aspire to compete at the highest level, if I had to deal with what I have had side effect wise and did not compete or did not have the genetics to do very well I would be mentally fucked. Side effects are hard on the head and even more so for females. Be very careful.

 

[IanWright]

Thanks Jen. She's a competitive strength athlete pushing on to compete at the higher levels of her sport. I'll advise her to try some Var at 20-30mg a day.

 

[Presser]

Thanks Jen. She's a competitive strength athlete pushing on to compete at the higher levels of her sport. I'll advise her to try some Var at 20-30mg a day.

What does she compete in bro?

 

[Jenn]

Thanks Jen. She's a competitive strength athlete pushing on to compete at the higher levels of her sport. I'll advise her to try some Var at 20-30mg a day.

Okay. Next question is are they drug testing at her events? If not I will try to help with what she should take. I get great strength gains off of anavar. However, I always stack my supplements.

 

[IanWright]

Yes it's drug tested. I'd rather not say which of the two it is for obvious reasons.

I understand people on forums such as this are often not comfortable with drug use in drug tested sports and that's fair enough. All I will say is that at the top level of this particular sport no-one is clean. They are just very adept at circumventing testing. If you wish to compete at elite international level it is an athlete's only choice.

 

[Ox 51]

Hahaha, I don't think anyone here cares about drug tested sports. If anything, you'd get lots of advice about how to beat the tests.

 

[IanWright]

I think we're generally pretty good with how to beat the tests....but any additional thoughts always greatly appreciated.

 

[Jenn]

Thanks guys, I really appreciate the advice.

The girl I'm asking on behalf of has running oral winny for 6 wks at 20mg a day and noticed no sides but also minimal, if any, strength benefit. I'm

100% confident it was legitimate given the source.

Do you think she'd do better on Var? Similar dose?

Thanks

Ian

Okay I have no idea how to beat tests as I have never had to. In regards to the winnie, a lot of people do not like it as it tends to be hard on the joints, also I have never used winnie in the offseason for strength. I only use prop pre contest. I use test enanthate offseason. Little bit of water weight but not really a biggie if the diet is clean. I would up the anavar to 40-50mg per day and if she really wanted to try test start with 50mg of test enanthate every 5 days. That is a pretty low dose. Once again though I have no idea about drug testing myself. Also enanthate is not painful,for me prop can be.

 

[Ox 51]

Okay I have no idea how to beat tests as I have never had to. In regards to the winnie, a lot of people do not like it as it tends to be hard on the joints, also I have never used winnie in the offseason for strength. I only use prop pre contest. I use test enanthate offseason. Little bit of water weight but not really a biggie if the diet is clean. I would up the anavar to 40-50mg per day and if she really wanted to try test start with 50mg of test enanthate every 5 days. That is a pretty low dose. Once again though I have no idea about drug testing myself. Also enanthate is not painful,for me prop can be.

50 mg of test e would be a very low dose for sure. To put it in perspective, most men run a minimum of 500 mg a week.

 

[IanWright]

Thanks again guys.

Problem with Enanthate is the clearance time. It's detectable for about 3 months whereas suspension's about three days and prop about 2 weeks.

I really wouldn't want her to experience virilization at any noticeable level so I think we'll just steer clear of test.

Just out of interest Jenn...say she did run just 25mg of suspension every 5 days, for 6 weeks and then walked away never to touch it again (or at least not for 6 months to a year) what sort and level of side effects is she likely to see? Do you think in that time or that dose there could really be serious, noticeable, irreversible sides?

Everything I've read until now has said 10-20mg of Var a day is a suitable dose for a woman. If she were to run 40-50mg a day do you think there is a high risk of virilization? Or would the sides likely most just be related to the impact on the liver?

Thanks again.