Thanks matey that means a lot. I look for everything in a pre workout so increased energy and focus, great pumps, increased vascularity and hopefully performance benefits. Although as time passed in this thread I started mainly looking for the energy and focus components more and more. I started looking for stronger products and well as you say the typical stimulant junkie. But I will start to calm it down a little as it's not good for health and in the end it actually hinders performance (adrenal cortex... cortisol, tiredness from too many stimulants etc etc). I should add another reason I started looking for the high stimulant formulas is because I am already pretty much covered when it comes to pumps and vascularity.... synthetine, slin, partition md, tadalafil, intra md etc etc.
I have never taken speedx3. I used to be very stimulant sensitive so stayed away from them for a long time. My friend (who sadly passed away last year) used to sell speedx3 but I never tried it.
Yes PreJym is a good overall formula. I mention it in this thread on another page. It gave me a bit of everything and I recommend it to everyone to try. It is very similar to Pre Kaged by Kaged Muscle. If you look up Pre Kaged on paper it is incredible but I wouldn't recommend buying it. It's a good product but there are better. If someone didn't have anti oxidants or aminos then it would be worth a try. They are the main reason for it's high price but I take lots of them already so they were unneeded for my pre workout. Have you tried Nutrex's Outlift? That is again just like PreJym and worth a try. I think Nutrex Outlift was the first to put in the clinical dose of citrulline malate and then many soon followed. That's one of the main reasons Pre Jym gives a good pump and general feel in the gym.
Try NitroNOX Pro by GSN as that is incredible and gives you everything... energy, focus, pumps and increased performance. I really enjoyed Ergoblast by Ergogenix too (that needs to be dosed on an empty stomach imo).
Keep your reviews coming
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I used 1 scoop of Cannibal Ferox Amped before legs yesterday and had a great workout but I struggled through it. I don't know if it was the MK-677 and/or too many stimulants but I felt tired throughout the workout. My heart was beating far too fast which is not good. If I use it again it will just be 1/2 scoop and not overdo things. I also felt sick during training which is likely due to the pre workout too. Over the next few weeks I am going to calm down the stimulants and just stick to 1 scoop of my other pre workouts or just have a nespresso instead.