cycle/training comments

I am looking for advice on starting my first cycle. My background is that I am 31 years old, lifted weights since I was 15 (grew up playing football and wrestling), and have experimented with prohormones, creatine, ZMA, and glutamine, but never AAS.

I am 5-8/202 lbs with around 10-12% bodyfat. I rotate between doing a dogcrapp rest/pause workout for a period of about 10 weeks to the exact opposite extreme of training…Westside style strength training. Strength wise I bench 380, squat 455, and deadlift around 5 (off of 4-inch boxes). I have always been lean with muscle definition; although, have lost much of the “cut” look I’ve had through my twenties for a bit of a bulkier look. I am looking for gaining somewhat lean mass and increasing strength.

Was looking at a 10 week cycle:

Week 1-4: 30mg D-Bol
Week 2-11: 400mg Test/Cypionate
Week 1-10: 400mg EQ

I have nolvadex and clomid for post cycle recovery. Also have access to clen for hardening/leaning up post cycle, but noticed mixed reviews on the clen.

Any advice, critiques, and comments would be appreciated. I plan on lifting 4 days/week, with the other 3 doing a light cardio/brisk walk. Probably start with rest/pause doggcrap style training and move to Westside if I get bored/plateau.

What does your diet look like?
Hypothetically, I would also start the test in week 1 and run through week 10. I am assuming you are starting at week two because you don't have enough?
How do you like DC training? I am using right now and hope to make some nice gains in the offseason. You also need femara during your cycle at 2.5mg EOD.

My diet has not been strict to be honest with you. I try and get around 180-200+ g of protein a day, other than that, I just eat sensible without too much crap. Some days better than others. I have never counted calories. Now, when I am investing money and training into a cycle, I will be strict with protein grams and limit empty crap calories.

I am starting the Cypionate a week later for the timing of my post cycle therapy. (I've read that EQ has a longer esther/life than Cypionate). I have 4000mg of both the Cypionate and EQ. Planning on doing Cyp for an additional 11th week, so it's actually an 11 week cycle.

The doggcrap style training was exciting and gave me some gains in size without the AAS. Make sure to impliment the extreme stretching. The soreness after the stretches are unbelievable the next days following. I tend to get bored with any style after about 8-10 weeks; thus, the change over to the complete opposite with Westside style.

Is femara a name brand? I assume this is to prevent gyno (or water retention?). Don't want to sound ignorant, just haven't researched it.

kcbuilder said:

Is femara a name brand? I assume this is to prevent gyno (or water retention?). Don't want to sound ignorant, just haven't researched it.

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Yes bro' Femara is the name brand of the drug Letrozole. It does the same thing as Nolvadex (Tamoxifen). I believe Femara (Letrozole) actually does a better job than Nolva.

What Is Letrozole?
Letrozole is a man-made drug that is used in the treatment of breast cancer in women who have had their menopause (change of life). It is used to treat women with early breast cancer after they have been treated with the standard hormonal therapy drug tamoxifen. It is also used to treat advanced breast cancer or breast cancer that has come back after initial treatment. Letrozole may also be given before surgery, to women with localised breast cancer to allow them to have breast conserving surgery rather than a mastectomy.

Letrozole is a hormonal therapy. Hormonal therapies work by interfering with the production or action of particular hormones. Hormones are substances produced naturally by the body. They act as chemical messengers and help to control the activity of cells and organs.

How It Works

Many breast cancers rely on supplies of the hormone oestrogen to grow. In women who have had their menopause the main source of oestrogen is through the conversion of androgens (sex hormones produced by the adrenal glands) into oestrogen. This is carried out by an enzyme called aromatase. This conversion process is known as aromatisation, and happens mainly in the fatty tissues of the body. Letrozole blocks this process and prevents this chemical change. This reduces the amount of oestrogen in the body. For this reason letrozole is known as an aromatase inhibitor.


Possible Side Effects
Each person’s reaction to any medication is unique. Most people have very few side effects with letrozole, while others may experience more.

Nausea (feeling sick), and vomiting These are uncommon and usually mild. Feelings of sickness can often be relieved by taking your tablet with food or milk, or at night.

Tiredness and Headaches These are not common. It is important to get enough rest.

Muscular aches and joint pain These are uncommon

Hot flushes These are usually mild and may wear off after a period of time. Some people find that it is helpful to cut down on tea, coffee, nicotine and alcohol. (You shouldn't be drinking alcohol while on cycles anyhow)

Hair thinning Although this is rare and is usually mild, keep in mind medical studies have only been done on women . So who knows, maybe men might lose more hair.

strange you could be my twin

http://board1.mantisforums.com/upload/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29616&highlight=winter+bulk

Zylo...thank you for the information. I appreciate the help. I'll have to see what I have available.

franconian...have you started your winter bulker yet? If so, what have you scene in gains/changes so far? If you have any advice on what you would/would not do after this cycle let me know.

Hey KC, that looks like a good cycle to me. I do agree with mmx on the running the test from the get go and not starting the eq first. If your concerned with the pct just stop the EQ at week 9.5 and run the test through 10.

As far as liking clen, that is something that you will have to decide for yourself. I like the effects of it, but, don't like the way I feel while using it.

I personally think that letro/femara is too strong for that light of a cycle. It would kill all estrogen which would make you dry, but also hurt gains quite a bit. At 400 mg test I never needed any anti e's at all. In fact I did not use anti e's until I passed 750mg of test and even then it was only Nolva.

I tried letro when I got to 750mg of test per week and it killed my sex drive, that may be a good thing when using super high doses of test, but, not at lower doses.

Thanks EM. I'm going to follow your (and MMX's) advice and start the cyp and EQ together. Probably will end up front-loading the EQ with 3.5 days between injections. The front-loading week will get the EQ done a week or 1/2 week earlier than the cyp.

I trained directly under DC. Your in one hell of a program, let me tell you. All I know, is tren and test enanthate with a possible dbol jusmp start goes well with his training.

EatingMachine said:

Hey KC, that looks like a good cycle to me. I do agree with mmx on the running the test from the get go and not starting the eq first. If your concerned with the pct just stop the EQ at week 9.5 and run the test through 10.

As far as liking clen, that is something that you will have to decide for yourself. I like the effects of it, but, don't like the way I feel while using it.

I personally think that letro/femara is too strong for that light of a cycle. It would kill all estrogen which would make you dry, but also hurt gains quite a bit. At 400 mg test I never needed any anti e's at all. In fact I did not use anti e's until I passed 750mg of test and even then it was only Nolva.

I tried letro when I got to 750mg of test per week and it killed my sex drive, that may be a good thing when using super high doses of test, but, not at lower doses.

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Yeah I have to remember that.... I use high dosages so femara has been a godsend for me. I am a true believer in what it does. Femara kills my sex drive too but the result outweighs that for me.

jaywooly...good to know that enanthate and tren work well with DC's program. Due to my lack of experience with AAS I wanted to keep it simple with cyp and EQ. I even debated the EQ for awhile. Being a newby with AAS, I wanted to start simple with my compounds and amounts. Also don't want ED or EOD injections to top it off. DC's training and ideology is solid stuff.

mmx2...thanks again for taking the time to respond to my question. For the amount of cyp and EQ I'm using, I'll probably stick with nolvadex for this cycle. I have clomid for post-cycle as well. Hopefully I have enough ancellories to support sides and recovery.

kcbuilder said:

jaywooly...good to know that enanthate and tren work well with DC's program. Due to my lack of experience with AAS I wanted to keep it simple with cyp and EQ. I even debated the EQ for awhile. Being a newby with AAS, I wanted to start simple with my compounds and amounts. Also don't want ED or EOD injections to top it off. DC's training and ideology is solid stuff.

mmx2...thanks again for taking the time to respond to my question. For the amount of cyp and EQ I'm using, I'll probably stick with nolvadex for this cycle. I have clomid for post-cycle as well. Hopefully I have enough ancellories to support sides and recovery.

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No problem-- I will go full throttle with the DC program in January. I have started it before, but have never finished the program in its entirty.