2nd cycle question

[leo8013]

In your guys opinion which would be better for a 2nd cycle to aid in muscle gain and fat loss.

4 weeks of winny 50mg eod tabs to jump start along with 10 weeks of sust 250 2cc every week

or

4 weeks winny 50mg eod jump start
10 weeks of test cyp 600mg
10 weeks of eq 500mg

 

[big in vegas]

I don't think either is long enough, but I'd go with the second

 

[leo8013]

I thought about that but I didnt know with my 2nd cycle I dont want to overdo things. 12 or 16 weeks???

 

[big in vegas]

12 would be better, but 16 would be nice. Just to tweak things, you could go 600/400 on the test/eq too.

 

[leo8013]

ok. thanks for the pointers. just trying to things in line to see how much cash I will need. that is whay I ask. 4 weeks left on this cycle then a 10 weeks off. so 3 months to restart. that should be enough time to get funds in line

 

[Eat'n Big]

Both are weak and short cycles. If your looking to achieve fat lose, and add lean muscle, a proper lean diet and lots of cardio will do just that!
Kick the sus if you ask me, drop the EQ too, it needs to be ran longer. Just run the Cyp at 500mgs a week for 14 weeks, add winny last 6 weeks at 30-50mgs ED, liver aid, and lots of water, and CLEAN DIET! Just my 0.02

 

[big in vegas]

Both are weak and short cycles. If your looking to achieve fat lose, and add lean muscle, a proper lean diet and lots of cardio will do just that!
Kick the sus if you ask me, drop the EQ too, it needs to be ran longer. Just run the Cyp at 500mgs a week for 14 weeks, add winny last 6 weeks at 30-50mgs ED, liver aid, and lots of water, and CLEAN DIET! Just my 0.02

I'm partial to EQ, I've always had great results with it

 

[leo8013]

Yeah diet is key for fat loss and cardio tops it off. I do believe that more then anything. I was looking for something to help just a little. I dont want long cycles yet since I am so new. I still wanna try the EQ but the Sust is out..

Big why do you think that winny is better at the end of the cycle instead of the start to jumpstart. I am not being sarcastic. wanting to learn.

I have read that EQ needs 12-16weeks to get full effects. but with my recptors not being used to gear I was thinking that I would be better off with 12.

 

[Eat'n Big]

I'm partial to EQ, I've always had great results with it

It's a good compound, but a little over rated in what he is looking for I think. Most people including myself need to run it much longer then 12-14 weeks to really get its effects.
I personally feel that he can get much of the results he is seeking but my above post, I know it's not what most people want to hear, but there is much truth to it. Diet, cardio, and a simple mid/long ester test at a decent dose is really all one needs, and for a 2nd cycle it's more then enough!

 

[big in vegas]

Yeah diet is key for fat loss and cardio tops it off. I do believe that more then anything. I was looking for something to help just a little. I dont want long cycles yet since I am so new. I still wanna try the EQ but the Sust is out..

Big why do you think that winny is better at the end of the cycle instead of the start to jumpstart. I am not being sarcastic. wanting to learn.

It is better to run at the end to help in leaning you out at the end of the cycle. Anadrol or Dbol is typically used at the beginning to jump start....

 

[big in vegas]

It's a good compound, but a little over rated in what he is looking for I think. Most people including myself need to run it much longer then 12-14 weeks to really get its effects.
I personally feel that he can get much of the results he is seeking but my above post, I know it's not what most people want to hear, but there is much truth to it. Diet, cardio, and a simple mid/long ester test at a decent dose is really all one needs, and for a 2nd cycle it's more then enough!

Makes sense, I guess I just jumped right into it and forget that it's probably not best for a lot of people to do so.

 

[Eat'n Big]

Yeah diet is key for fat loss and cardio tops it off. I do believe that more then anything. I was looking for something to help just a little. I dont want long cycles yet since I am so new. I still wanna try the EQ but the Sust is out..

Big why do you think that winny is better at the end of the cycle instead of the start to jumpstart. I am not being sarcastic. wanting to learn.

IMO adding orals to a cycle to kick start is really an impatient out-look, don't take that as a flame, I say that even to myself when I think along these lines. When bulking, kick starting with orals is much more ideal. In your case you'll be waiting for the cyp to kick in, and once it does, you'll be side by side with two compounds working hand in hand, thus winny/test cyp. The winny will really add a hard look to the gains from the test, at the same time aiding in keeping you dry as winny has that effect. I honestly really feel that the EQ will not be needed here, as it may effect your appetite and stimulate it a little to much when your trying to achieve a lean look hear. The benefits to the EQ tho is it helps just with that because orals in some make people lose appetite almost completely!
Orals at the end of a lean cycle really help amplify the results that are desired. Does this help any?

 

[big in vegas]

IMO adding orals to a cycle to kick start is really an impatient out-look, don'ttake that as a flame, I say that even to myself when I think along these lines. When bulking, kick starting with orals is much more ideal. In your case your'll be waiting for the cyp to kick in, and once it does, you'll be side by side with to compounds working hand in hand, thus winny/test cyp. The winny will really add a hard look to the gains from the test, at the same time aiding in keeping you dry as winny has that effect. I honestly really feel that the EQ will not be needed here, as it may effect your appetite and stimulate it a little to much when your trying to achieve a lean look hear. The benefits to the EQ tho is it helps just with that because orals in some make people lose appetite almost completely!
Orals at the end of a lean cycle really help amplify the results that are desired. Does this help any?

You can't imagine the appetite you get from EQ until you're on it. I can eat all day long and never really be full. I mean unless I gorge then it holds me over for a short period of time, but it's crazy lol

 

[leo8013]

ok. lesson learned. and no feeling hurt here big. still want to read more and get educated. I know that people have different reactions to different compounds. I wanted to get peoples personal exp good or bad.

 

[leo8013]

how does the eq really help with red blood cell production and vascularity?