At what point is it too much?

[The Survivor]

I've been on for 5 months now and by months end will go off. I rarely go above 400 mg/week of any injectables and have pretty good luck. If my financial ship ever comes in, maybe I'l try higher dosages. I remember Mike Mentzer always saying not to exceed 500 mg/wk, back in their day thats all they do.

Is it still advisable to stay off at least 6 wks regardess of time on? 6 wks is about all I can stand before I'm itching that itch

 

[Pharm_Fed]

hmmm, this is awsome. this is all the things ive tried testing out my self. the pyramid method just made sence to me, because of these facts. down regulating, would you have to increase after a certain amount of time to maintain grownth? or would cycle for shorter periods of time work best? meaning 8 on 8-10 off? giving the body time to detox longer through out the year, but hitting more cycles through the year as well?

This is my opinion only, but I believe you can stay on, increase your dose and your calories and continue to grow just fine. Gains plateau around 8-10 weeks for many reason, myostatin reaches peak levels, caloric intake doesn't change, etc, but I do not believe down regulation is one of them. I think if you're not worried about shutting your endogenous production down, blast a cruise is better than cycling. It seems it would be better to stay level and then supraphysiological, rather than roller coasting way up and way down. Again, just my opinion.

I've been on for 5 months now and by months end will go off. I rarely go above 400 mg/week of any injectables and have pretty good luck. If my financial ship ever comes in, maybe I'l try higher dosages. I remember Mike Mentzer always saying not to exceed 500 mg/wk, back in their day thats all they do.

Is it still advisable to stay off at least 6 wks regardess of time on? 6 wks is about all I can stand before I'm itching that itch

Do you really believe than with all the incredible physiques of his time nobody did more than 500mg/wk? I don't think you can ever trust a pro to tell the truth about the dosages. Just my opinion.

 

[The Survivor]

This is my opinion only, but I believe you can stay on, increase your dose and your calories and continue to grow just fine. Gains plateau around 8-10 weeks for many reason, myostatin reaches peak levels, caloric intake doesn't change, etc, but I do not believe down regulation is one of them. I think if you're not worried about shutting your endogenous production down, blast a cruise is better than cycling. It seems it would be better to stay level and then supraphysiological, rather than roller coasting way up and way down. Again, just my opinion.



Do you really believe than with all the incredible physiques of his time nobody did more than 500mg/wk? I don't think you can ever trust a pro to tell the truth about the dosages. Just my opinion.

I guess that those incredible physiques of that time is a subjective term. I certainly liked them but you look at people like Zane, Makkaway, Dickerson, Labrada even Robby and they weren't huge. Of course they looked that way on stage. Why would they lie about taking moderate dosages? To make themselves look better, like they really didn't need much to grow? Most likely they were all natural mesomorphs. That being said, sure any dose would have triggered growth. While I'm not disputing the claim that they aren't 100% forthcoming, why would they BS the public? I have heard it both ways regarding dosages, one supporting that moderate dosages is the way to go as the body can only utilize so much anyway. Yet another says pour it on baby, the more the merrier.

In my case, I see what 400mg/wk can do.....me thinks I should try doubling that and see for myself. But thanks for opining, seeing other POV is always insightful.

 

[Pharm_Fed]

I guess that those incredible physiques of that time is a subjective term. I certainly liked them but you look at people like Zane, Makkaway, Dickerson, Labrada even Robby and they weren't huge. Of course they looked that way on stage. Why would they lie about taking moderate dosages? To make themselves look better, like they really didn't need much to grow? Most likely they were all natural mesomorphs. That being said, sure any dose would have triggered growth. While I'm not disputing the claim that they aren't 100% forthcoming, why would they BS the public? I have heard it both ways regarding dosages, one supporting that moderate dosages is the way to go as the body can only utilize so much anyway. Yet another says pour it on baby, the more the merrier.

In my case, I see what 400mg/wk can do.....me thinks I should try doubling that and see for myself. But thanks for opining, seeing other POV is always insightful.

I think people always have various agendas. For example, look at the thread on here about Dave Palumbo and HGH. He espouses small doses, but I'd say he is one of the biggest abusers of HGH. And you also have to remember they weren't using slin, peptides and GH back in the day so they weren't mass monsters, but still had what I would consider incredible physiques. Anyways, I agree the best thing to do is try it yourself and see how it works. Cheers.

 

[The Survivor]

I think people always have various agendas. For example, look at the thread on here about Dave Palumbo and HGH. He espouses small doses, but I'd say he is one of the biggest abusers of HGH. And you also have to remember they weren't using slin, peptides and GH back in the day so they weren't mass monsters, but still had what I would consider incredible physiques. Anyways, I agree the best thing to do is try it yourself and see how it works. Cheers.

You have a ton of creditbility here so I'm convinced I will try upping next time around. Hope my checkbook can swing it....but great points.

 

[Pharm_Fed]

You have a ton of creditbility here so I'm convinced I will try upping next time around. Hope my checkbook can swing it....but great points.

Thanks bro. If you end up trying it out, let us know how it works for you!

 

[Mrbigz]

hey pharm fed, thanks for the feed back brotha, thing is-is im just getting frustrated. im not where i want to be, and my body isnt growing any more. ive never done more than a gram of test a week plus other anobolics. im not really wanting to do the whole insulin gh thing, but i think im gonna have to take the plunge.