Ok my first abb routine is cable oblique crunches, standing cable crunches, and hanging knee raises. The second is lying oblique crunches, lying leg raises where I raise my hips at the top of the movement, an arnold favorite twists. I cycle these eod. During off season I hit my abbs 2 times a week. As I get closer to show time I kick up th intensity by adding more reps or mixing the routines up. I know I should prob train them more in the off season, but Im just a little scared of making waiste bigger. I only have a 30in waiste. I may go up to 32 in the off season but thats only till summer hits then I like to have at least some abbs for the ladies to look at. Thank god my wife aint on here, lol!!!!!