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I agree with AZ1,

I'm glad you pointed out that there are a lot of younger guys reading this and that we have a responsibility in our posts to ensure everyone's safety. A good reminder for all of us.

A little harsh in your post, but you are right. The hospital CAN always do something.

They can give you drugs to lower your heart rate and counter the effects of whatever you took. They can monitor your vitals and a million other things we don't know about.

Going to the hospital is the best advice you can get in a situation like this. You wouldn't get in trouble, they won't talk to the police or tell your parents. They are not allowed to by law. So you wouldn't have to worry about that. Doctors keep everything confidential and they will help you.

Be safe guy's


So how you feeln' Crimson? Better today?
 
well az1...I happen to work at the er, doing my internship.
I also happen to have studied medicine, but because your head is pumped so full of everything you have read on the board...you are sure of what you are supposed to do even though you are not a professional. as for zylo, younger guys? why? because it says newbie by my avatar im a younger guy? you state they can give you drugs to counter whatever you took...and Im the one getting flamed??? c'mon now!! I meant only to calm him down because he was obviously upset which was making his heart pound. you tell me that I should only be using otc's??well im not the one who almost overdosed. I have seen many cases like this in person, almost weekly, in his case I didnt feel there was anything the emergency room could do for him.. he was stable...I didnt mean he should not get checked up by a physiscian. I however do not need to waste my knowledge on such a board. your manners show your unprofessionalism ,which proves I am on the wrong board.
this will be my final visit. thank very much to all who have helped me here! GOODBYE FOREVER...

PS. my "best advise"...dont even give a flinstone vitamin to crimson:D and az1.. go to med school for the next 4 years.. then we'll be able to chat my friend:confused:
 
haoleboy said:
. I however do not need to waste my knowledge on such a board. your manners show your unprofessionalism ,which proves I am on the wrong board.
this will be my final visit. thank very much to all who have helped me here! GOODBYE FOREVER...

PS. my "best advise"...dont even give a flinstone vitamin to crimson:D and az1.. go to med school for the next 4 years.. then we'll be able to chat my friend:confused:

WOW if I left every place I went where there was a person or 2 whom bothered me I would have no where left to go in the world,lol, pretty lame actualy
 
Presser said:
WOW if I left every place I went where there was a person or 2 whom bothered me I would have no where left to go in the world,lol, pretty lame actualy
seriously,we have been all botherin presser for sometime to get him to leave LMAO!
 
hey guys IM ALIVE!!!!! lol

Ok not funny, let this be a lesson to ya all!
Hey guys we dont need to flame each other all advice was good advice except the "it has a 36 hour half life your fucked bro" that was uncool and just to say thanks.. FUCK YOU CORDOBA...LMAO

Ok besides my head still hurting a little, feels like im dehydrated a litte from vomiting and my muscle ache im fine.

Back to eating and not really shaking anymore!
I appreciate the concern and thats one mistake im definately gonna learn from and if i have to post my experience here for all of you too!
 
Hey Halo, you work in ER right? You talk about 4 year’s medical school? Bro don’t even start about medical school because you have nothing to say about that... The ER doctors can do a lot and say they wanted to keep him over night then they would send him down to a room and have the cardiologist take a look at him and if they needed to they would go further with testing... Your advice on not going to the ER is totally false and there is a shit load the ER can do for heart rates and for people who over dose on a stimulant and not just stimulants even for electrolytes being off or from dehydration can cause rapid heart beat or anxiety and 1000 other reasons but being an ER guy you should know all that. Him going to the hospital that night would have been a very good IDEA because let’s say his heart rate climbs to high and his heart stops or starts to cause damage to the cardiac tissue? Him going in and letting them run a med and there is a list to cause the heart rate to slow down etc and beat normally is a great idea and getting blood work done to check enzymes and many of another numerous of other things. Bro no one is flaming you but you flame your self…. The info you gave first time was bad and one slip of bad info can take a life, we are not against you and welcome you to this post but don’t decide to use “I am an ER guy, and I know it all and you go through 4 years of medical school”, from the statement you are not even close to being a doctor or being anywhere near that profession. How do you I know??? Well let’s see my girl is medical school, one of my best friends is a specialist in cardiology and I can go down a list of friends and family who are in the medical field. He only pointed out that the info you gave at the time when the bro was in need of supervision and advice was bad. Stay around bro because you are more then welcomed and we all make mistakes but just relax because MC is a great place for knowledge and good bro’s.
 
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"as for zylo, younger guys? why? because it says newbie by my avatar im a younger guy? "
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All I said was that there are younger guys reading this thread so we have to be careful with what advice we give out. I didn't say anything about you bro'


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Glad you're ok Crimson
 
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Nobody flamed you, You don’t know what a flame is, try anabolex for a lesson on flames!

Ok Doc heres the deal, now i dont know how you read zylo's post and assumed he referred to you as a younger guy, HE DIDN’T SAY THAT, what he did say was that he agreed with me that THERE ARE TONS OF YOUNGER GUYS ON HERE!!! Thus we need to be concious of allowing the final word on overdoses and other possibly SERIOUS medical conditions to be wise ones in the interest of safety for all in our sport.

Oh yeah you claim you will be a doc???? hahaha, back to med school, i'm sure lots of good docs would advise a patient that they have not had the opportunity to examine personally that the reason their heart is pounding is due to nervousness after knowing full well what they took. B.S. if he had called any primary care physician, thay would have advised a trip to the ER to get checked. yeah, we now know you have never taken clen. You never addressed the fact that you assumed he injected something which is not available in an injectable preparation, further demonstrating your lack of knowledge on this subject.

You worry about my professionalism??? I dont work here, so dont. Professionalsim means safety first in any sport even UFC. Which was my whole point.

I know you claim to have seen many cases like this in person but how could you when you dont know what clen is, how its prepared, or why it was never approved for use in the U.S.

BTW Doc, I looked at your posts to see just what kind of knowledge you feel you would be wasting here but wont now that we have butted heads. Guess what i found in your brief ten posts? Before suggesting to an overdose patient that he kick back and watch tv, you told someone who claimed to only be taking 15mg of dbol daily to “...make sure you are taking evening primrose or milk thistle to help your liver. lots of water for the bloat”
Take water for bloat????what??? Bloat is water!!!You tell an OD patient to watch tv and someone taking a tiny dose of dbol to take liver precautions??? Good call Doc!
Your first post on 10-13-04 is asking about blue clomid and what color should sus be, and presser went on to reply that yes there is blue clomid and winny. Then you asked the same question about blue clomid on 10-16-04 and got the same answer from a diff person. Then on the 20th you tell someone else about the blue clomid and winny tabs you have seen. Glad you finally got your first cycle bro.
Tell you what, no need to come back here and bitch at me when I’m concerned about the safety of our younger members, because when you do, I will call you out as unexperienced and I can prove it by your posts. If you had really been experienced you would have seen so many diff kinds of sus you wouldn’t be asking about the color.

One more for ya, in your reply you seem to question that they can give drugs to counter the clen…allow me to correct you. In case of overdose: Supportive ther¬apy and administration of parenteral beta blockers(e.g. propranolol) to control heart rate and rhythm, and elevated blood pressure may be considered.

Oh yeah, me and IrishPride got into it a month or two ago and he didn’t go away. We disagreed, we had our words and made our points, unfortunately I didn’t log on for a while after that so I missed his PM regarding settling our dispute. Aint no problem there. People disaggree and talk shit, I can take it and dish it and don’t mind going back and forth, sarcasm is fun, shit look at how many times IP calls everyone sluts bitches faggots etc. Don’t cry man goto the gym, no need to leave.
 
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ProfitsWorld said:
Hey Halo, you work in ER right? You talk about 4 year’s medical school? Bro don’t even start about medical school because you have nothing to say about that... The ER doctors can do a lot and say they wanted to keep him over night then they would send him down to a room and have the cardiologist take a look at him and if they needed to they would go further with testing... Your advice on not going to the ER is totally false and there is a shit load the ER can do for heart rates and for people who over dose on a stimulant and not just stimulants even for electrolytes being off or from dehydration can cause rapid heart beat or anxiety and 1000 other reasons but being an ER guy you should know all that. Him going to the hospital that night would have been a very good IDEA because let’s say his heart rate climbs to high and his heart stops or starts to cause damage to the cardiac tissue? Him going in and letting them run a med and there is a list to cause the heart rate to slow down etc and beat normally is a great idea and getting blood work done to check enzymes and many of another numerous of other things. Bro no one is flaming you but you flame your self…. The info you gave first time was bad and one slip of bad info can take a life, we are not against you and welcome you to this post but don’t decide to use “I am an ER guy, and I know it all and you go through 4 years of medical school”, from the statement you are not even close to being a doctor or being anywhere near that profession. How do you I know??? Well let’s see my girl is medical school, one of my best friends is a specialist in cardiology and I can go down a list of friends and family who are in the medical field. He only pointed out that the info you gave at the time when the bro was in need of supervision and advice was bad. Stay around bro because you are more then welcomed and we all make mistakes but just relax because MC is a great place for knowledge and good bro’s.


all in all it was my fault, the whole thing plain and simple.
I wont make excuses or anything, i am happy i am ok as for now maybe later down the road a little fucked up but i guess thats from everything in life it finally gets you in the end.

oh and i did call the ER they said they would admit me and monitor my heart and shit, what if something hapopened to it just watch it go bad.
they admitted they cannot do anything to lower my heartrate and such because the nature of the drug..plain and simple!
it was up to me and my body basically.
I am just concerned about my headache feeling that has come with it, hope no brain trauma or hemorraging has occured.
I just want everyone to know that me and bro went through the same ordeal, so you know its not something to fuck with its very serious stuff, so be careful and thanks to all the advice whether it was good or bad, at least u tried to help me! except cordoba! lol..FUCKER!

I will let ya all know when the drug actually clears my body and when i start being active again how i really feel.
 
Irishpride can vouge for me on this one. well my little brother has an eating disorder and caffiene wasn't doing anything for him at 2000mgs per day so i offered him a 30ml bottle of clen, a month goes by and he asked for another bottle, i said "what", i told you how to run it 2 wks on 2 off pyramiding 20,20,30,30, and so on. turns out he tried that and didnt like it so he took a ml at 200mcg per a day for a month till it was gone, i used the same shit and freaked on 60mcg so i know it was good. i asked him how hw felt and he told me he would take 2 ml a day the next time cause he barely got anything near the end of his month. needless to say i dont give him clen anymore and he is alive, and skinny. 5'9 at 135 lbs
 
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AZ1 said:


Oh yeah, me and IrishPride got into it a month or two ago and he didn’t go away. We disagreed, we had our words and made our points, unfortunately I didn’t log on for a while after that so I missed his PM regarding settling our dispute. Aint no problem there. People disaggree and talk shit, I can take it and dish it and don’t mind going back and forth, sarcasm is fun, shit look at how many times IP calls everyone sluts bitches faggots etc. Don’t cry man goto the gym, no need to leave.
what can i say i am a true romantic at heart LOL...People disagree,thats what makes these boards great,you get so many opinions on things that you can use to draw your own opinion and maybe learn a thing or two..some personalites are going to clash its inevitable..i am not the easiest to get along with shit alot of people can vouche for that but don;t let a dissagreement ruin the whole board for ya...
 
Profitsworld:
The ER wont do anything; they'll examine him and in the abscence of an incredibly high heart rate or palpitations, they'll do exactly what haoleboy said - go home, relax, keep it cool.

I know this because my roommate dosed 600mcg of clen for 5 days straight as I said and went to see an MD, thinking that he was going to die.... As haoledude said, if he ain't dead yet, he wont get that way in the next while.

AZ1:
In reference to dbol induced bloat, drinking water WILL help. If you know anything about human endocrinology you'll recognize reference to the hormone aldosterone. Aldosterone, when high will cause water retention at the kidneys and what is the best way to lower aldosterone???? Drinking water.

In addition dianabol is known to cause sodium retention at the kidney as well. And the best way to keep a body flushing sodium out is again... DRINKING WATER, and EATING SODIUM.

Try this for 5 days: eat 6 grams of salt minimum and drink 10 litres of water. Instead of bloating, you will lose water like crazy EVEN if you are on androgens like dbol.

I think that some of you may want to reasearch further before making certain claims to discredit someone else. Certain such posts go a long way towards lowering the average IQ on this board.
 
haoleboy said:
I however do not need to waste my knowledge on such a board. your manners show your unprofessionalism ,which proves I am on the wrong board.
this will be my final visit. thank very much to all who have helped me here! GOODBYE FOREVER...

PS. my "best advise"...dont even give a flinstone vitamin to crimson:D and az1.. go to med school for the next 4 years.. then we'll be able to chat my friend:confused:

then DO NOT come back, as for you physicians, my life is held in the hands of the experienced on these boards cause you physicians have your heads so far up your ass that even an easy question cant be answered without the cockiness of a degree coming through, grow up, cause in the end its us who save the scrawny and weak
 
Archaic:
Ive been admitted twice for my heart.... I had it to the poit my resting rate was at 170bpm... When I went to ER they slapped me on to the moniter and ran an IV and ran a souliton into my vein which dropped my heart rate DOWN, way down to keep it from going up. So as far as the heart rate being dropped with drugs it is done and can be done. Thre are many drugs that are used known as Antiarrhythmic drugs and the ER uses them all the time and enough said on that. Just because he didnt drop dead doesnt mean that his cardiac muscle doesnt have any damage, so if he went in and they read EKG and see its off or blood test come back all messed up then it would mean admitting him to the hospital for futher process... people die every day from over dose on stimulants from cardiac failure and there are 100's of reports rangeing from a wide range of drugs the user was on. And again the ER has drugs to slow the heart rate down.

AZ1:
Supportive ther¬apy and administration of parenteral beta blockers(e.g. propranolol) to control heart rate and rhythm, and elevated blood pressure may be considered.
 
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I never argued that drugs to lower heartrater and palpitations don't exist. Of course they do.

What I said is that if he goes to the ER, they will do nothing in the abscence of an excessively high heartrate or palpitations.

what can i do to bring my heart rate down its at 110 resting.

110 is not that high. 170 is! So of course that's why they pumped you full of drugs.
 
Archaic, just like you cant gain a pound if you are not eating more calories than you are burning, you cant gain water weight(bloat) without drinking tons of water, drinking tons of water is what you SHOULD be doing, so the problem is not so easily fixed when on dbol, by simply drinking more water. The bloat will stay on unless you take something to reduce it such as dex. any upper level bber is not going to suggest that all they do to control dbol induced bloat is to drink water. Like you said the dbol will cause sodium retention which in turn will increase water retention. Something beyond water is necessary for ALMOST everyone on this board and on the stages.

And if you want the best way to regulate aldosterone to reduce water and sodium retention, its not water, but rather aldactone. None the less it certainly is not necessary for anyone who isnt doing a show and diuretics shouldnt ever be used by novices or by anyone unless ur gonna be in a show.

Lowering electrolytes is dangerous, the safest way would be to incorporate distilled water into your daily water drinking, but there is still a risk of diluting yourself to the point of danger.
 
Archaic:

Yeah but his heart rate lowerd to 110 after a few hours but during the time of the over doseing of the CLEN his resting heart rate was going hell of a lot faster and if he moves his pulse will shoot way up and again if he went to ER at that time of the whole situation they would have used meds but since his heart rate lowerd to 110 all they would do is moniter and run blood test and a x-ray but as said again if the reading on the test were off they would have kept him over night for observation. The whole point being about the meds its not about when his heart went down to 110bpm its about during the time he took the med and had his heart was raceing and beating out of his chest, and the ringing in his ears etc...
 
AZ1 and Profitsworld; I appreciate your opinions on these issues...

AZ1: I am not argueing that you will not retain water while on dbol. You will; it is a mechanism of the drug. However. I encourage you to try my example; drink 10 L of water with 6 grams (+) of salt for 5 days, and you WILL NOT BE RETAINING a whole lot of water (because aldosterone and anti-diuretic hormone will be drastically down regulated).

Conversely; try doing something like this; for 5 days drink 2 L of water a day, with as close to zero salt as possible, then on the 6th day, drink 10 litres of water and 6 grams of salt. Especially if you are on Dbol (and even if you aren't) you will bloat like a MOTHERFCKER! This is because aldosterone and ADH are very high (due to low Na and H2O intake).... And all the water and sodium will be retained because your body is in 'water retaining mode'.

As I said I'm not argueing that dbol doesn't lead to water retention; it DOES, but the best way to control the hormones ADH and aldosterone is to take a lot of water and sodium.

Estrogen is a different issue; and reducing bloat by taking anti-aromatases will also help as well (though not control the problem entirely). But estrogen is not the only problem.... it simply compounds existing problems (because I believe that estrogen upregulates aldosterone production). Even if you are taking a fckton of antiaromatases with dianabol you still will bloat to a certain degree due to the sodium-retaining properties of dbol at the kidney.

I wouldn't recommend taking aldactone for long periods of time (as hypokalemia is a real issue due to the potassium sparing effects of aldactone). But yes, it is an aldosterone-antagonist. Many bros I have found resort to taking diuretics BEFORE they try manipulating their sodium and water intake - many times it's absolutely unnecessary to take these drugs if you keep your water and sodium high. I believe this is what haoleguy was referring to.

Profitsworld; I also agree and am not argueing with what you are saying. However, from personal experience, I believe that the ER would tell buddy to go home in the abscence of acute problems, the best approach is to let the clen be metabolized naturally and slowly get out of your system. I fully believe that in this situation they WOULD NOT treat him with any drugs.

Note I am not saying that visiting the doctor is a bad idea; it's always better to be safe than sorry. But I believe the ER would not view this as a life-threatening situation.
 
Crimsonsweat your alive....good to hear I though you were a goner for sure. ;) Nah, Ive taken 200mcg of clen per day before but I worked my way up to it so the sides werent as bad as what you experianced. Let this be a lesson to everyone else thinking of using clen, be cautious and work your way up every time you use it.
 
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