getting lean and grow at the same time

[Boomer]

some people swear this is possible ... is it?

prove me wrong but ive been under the impression that to get lean you need to diet down, under maintenance calories and to grow to be over calorie maintenance...

so how do you lose fat while growing mucle .. would the use of Test help...?


ive always been a fan of bulking then stripping fat .. its worked in the past and will continue to work for me..

 

[Presser]

yes you can get VERY LEAN while growing at the same time! Testosterone is an ABSOLUTE MUST to do this though, and its best with tren ace and winstrol combined with test, preferably a short esther test like prop. If you use those 3 compounds together you will grown while shreddin us easily! If you added in IGF-1 then your Golden!

 

[MMX2]

Yes it is possible, but not recommended for newbies- its difficult to find the balance you end up doing one ok and sucking at the other- which means wasted time , effort, and supplements...

 

[freakinthegym]

I'm doing that right now. Like Presser said but switched the Winnie for var though bad joints, but I see it ! And loving it! Lol but MMX2 is right if your new try prop and igf...

 

[big in vegas]

I love EQ, Tren A and test together for a lean bulk. It's always given me unbelievable results

 

[majortguns]

I wish I could use tren like u guys, the only thing I cant take, sucks.

 

[nuknuk]

drugs and lots of clean food, with a little cardio here and there.

 

[MMX2]

I'm doing that right now. Like Presser said but switched the Winnie for var though bad joints, but I see it ! And loving it! Lol but MMX2 is right if your new try prop and igf...

I think its no problem for you- the problem comes in with people that don't have the diet and cardio planned and properly balanced.
IMHO, I think its easier if you have done both separately with success.
What irks me is those first timers that don't have anything to gauge off off- they go in head first , unprepared and unaware how to fix things as they go.

 

[tatzoo]

yes you can get VERY LEAN while growing at the same time! Testosterone is an ABSOLUTE MUST to do this though, and its best with tren ace and winstrol combined with test, preferably a short esther test like prop. If you use those 3 compounds together you will grown while shreddin us easily! If you added in IGF-1 then your Golden!

hello pin cushion...lol

 

[big in vegas]

I'm doing that right now. Like Presser said but switched the Winnie for var though bad joints, but I see it ! And loving it! Lol but MMX2 is right if your new try prop and igf...

Do you prefer the results from Anavar over Winny if all side effects were the same?

 

[Mindovermatter]

I just started a mix of:
Prop @ 100mg eod
TrenA @ 100mg eod
Mast @ 100 mg eod
TrenE @ 100 mg 2x wk
TestE @ 300 mg wk
30mcg T3/ morn
2iu b4 bed of Gh
and using an ECA stack b4 meals and sometimes workouts

Any thoughts?

 

[freakinthegym]

Do you prefer the results from Anavar over Winny if all side effects were the same?

Well, I've used Winny in the past and the results were about the same , but my joints didn't crack, when I used var,.. But everyone is diffrent. I think you just find out what works best for you.

 

[freakinthegym]

I think its no problem for you- the problem comes in with people that don't have the diet and cardio planned and properly balanced.
IMHO, I think its easier if you have done both separately with success.
What irks me is those first timers that don't have anything to gauge off off- they go in head first , unprepared and unaware how to fix things as they go.

Agreed.

 

[big in vegas]

I just started a mix of:
Prop @ 100mg eod
TrenA @ 100mg eod
Mast @ 100 mg eod
TrenE @ 100 mg 2x wk
TestE @ 300 mg wk
30mcg T3/ morn
2iu b4 bed of Gh
and using an ECA stack b4 meals and sometimes workouts

Any thoughts?

How long are you running this?

 

[Mindovermatter]

How long are you running this?

The Prop @ 100mg eod, TrenA @ 100mg eod, Mast @ 100 mg eod is a mix and Im running for 3 weeks mid cycle to cut because the first 5 wks I added sum mass. then I was gonna ride out the rest listed with tren A/E and maybe sum Suspension to finish a 12 wk cycle. Unfortunately I'm limited on what I've got and know that this is a bad way to run a cycle but I've put sum thought into making the most out of what ive got. After this cycle I'm gonna bite the bullet and have shoulder surgery so i'm trying to limit any bulk and focus on lean gains. If this sounds like a shitty cycle, I'd love some ideas or feedback on what can help. Still tossing around ideas on PCT as well. Thanks in advance too

 

[Chris250]

Yes its possiable. But, the correct diet is a MUST...

Everyone is different, and to do this you will prob need someone to help you. Plus, give ya a second set of eye's to watch your transformation.

The right gear is a must to, and ofcourse training. But is it possiable, YES !!!

 

[big in vegas]

The Prop @ 100mg eod, TrenA @ 100mg eod, Mast @ 100 mg eod is a mix and Im running for 3 weeks mid cycle to cut because the first 5 wks I added sum mass. then I was gonna ride out the rest listed with tren A/E and maybe sum Suspension to finish a 12 wk cycle. Unfortunately I'm limited on what I've got and know that this is a bad way to run a cycle but I've put sum thought into making the most out of what ive got. After this cycle I'm gonna bite the bullet and have shoulder surgery so i'm trying to limit any bulk and focus on lean gains. If this sounds like a shitty cycle, I'd love some ideas or feedback on what can help. Still tossing around ideas on PCT as well. Thanks in advance too

You should be good, but you're definitely going to want some good PCT with the tren dosage you are on. If you have any signs of gyno already, make sure you take some nolva, but clomid and hcg should be good for your PCT

 

[Mindovermatter]

You should be good, but you're definitely going to want some good PCT with the tren dosage you are on. If you have any signs of gyno already, make sure you take some nolva, but clomid and hcg should be good for your PCT

Thanks for the advice and opinion, I've got arimidex already and was planning on using it for any sides.

 

[big in vegas]

Arimidex is great to keep on hand and if you have it already, you can take it and you'll be good