Lean mass / cutting cycle - Input wanted

[czyc]

Hi all, wanted to get some input on this cycle.

First some stats..

Starting Stats:
age: 25
Height: 5'10
Weight: 195lbs
BF: ~9-10%

Starting Lifts:
Squat: 415lbs x 5
Deadlift: 455lbs x 5
Bench: 275lbs x 5

The Game Plan so far:

Week 1-10: Sust 250/week (just continuing cruise dose)
Week 1-8: 100mg/day Anavar
week 1-8: 50mg/day Proviron
week 1-6: 50mcg/day T3
week 1-2/4-6/6-8: 40-80mcg/day Clen

I've done 4 cycles before, I've used tren and had great results but the night sweaats were terrible and I have a new girl and I don't want to soak the sheets in sweat every night and freak her out. I've used anavar at 60mg/day before and had pretty good results, have heard 80-100mg/day is the sweet spot though.

Just looking to get some input and insight from some veterns.

Thanks!

 

[1MoreRep]

Damn looks like you have a good build to begin with. Don't foget to post some pics and keep us up to date. Im sure some of the vets will chime in.

 

[Presser]

Hi all, wanted to get some input on this cycle.

First some stats..

Starting Stats:
age: 25
Height: 5'10
Weight: 195lbs
BF: ~9-10%

Starting Lifts:
Squat: 415lbs x 5
Deadlift: 455lbs x 5
Bench: 275lbs x 5

The Game Plan so far:

Week 1-10: Sust 250/week (just continuing cruise dose)
Week 1-8: 100mg/day Anavar
week 1-8: 50mg/day Proviron
week 1-6: 50mcg/day T3
week 1-2/4-6/6-8: 40-80mcg/day Clen

I've done 4 cycles before, I've used tren and had great results but the night sweaats were terrible and I have a new girl and I don't want to soak the sheets in sweat every night and freak her out. I've used anavar at 60mg/day before and had pretty good results, have heard 80-100mg/day is the sweet spot though.

Just looking to get some input and insight from some veterns.

Thanks!

Sustanon should be run every day or every other day for the first 4 weeks until the 2 long acting testosterones in it kick in, otherwise if your taking it just once per week, you are bascially taking 2 short acting testosterone esters once a week, which isnt so good, your hormone levels will bounce up and down from this, so until your long acting esters in the sustanon kick in you should take it every day, every other day and at the absolute max every 3rd day, but once per week, will lead to spikes in your levels and mood swings, acne , gyno issue ext....

hope i explained that right so you understood, and yes i know some people take sustanon once a week and have solid gains, but that doesnt mean they are doing it the most efficient way, so i suggest every other day sustanon shots for the first 4 weeks, otherwise its like taking prop once a week, and i know theirs phenyl prop (longer of the 2 short esters) in the sustain, but still, its best to start sustanon with every other day shots for the first few weeks,

and welcome to MuscleChemistry brutha

 

[big in vegas]

Sustanon should be run every day or every other day for the first 4 weeks until the 2 long acting testosterones in it kick in, otherwise if your taking it just once per week, you are bascially taking 2 short acting testosterone esters once a week, which isnt so good, your hormone levels will bounce up and down from this, so until your long acting esters in the sustanon kick in you should take it every day, every other day and at the absolute max every 3rd day, but once per week, will lead to spikes in your levels and mood swings, acne , gyno issue ext....

hope i explained that right so you understood, and yes i know some people take sustanon once a week and have solid gains, but that doesnt mean they are doing it the most efficient way, so i suggest every other day sustanon shots for the first 4 weeks, otherwise its like taking prop once a week, and i know theirs phenyl prop (longer of the 2 short esters) in the sustain, but still, its best to start sustanon with every other day shots for the first few weeks,

and welcome to MuscleChemistry brutha

I agree, I'm taking Test PhenylProp now and I'm taking it every other day so I'd personally switch the sust out for Test E or C so it lasts longer. Other than that things look good

 

[exbeanpole]

The guys are spot on, unless you just like pinning more often I'd switch to test E or C for cycle that length. Are you prepping for a show, going for a beach body, or just looking to get lean?

 

[czyc]

The guys are spot on, unless you just like pinning more often I'd switch to test E or C for cycle that length. Are you prepping for a show, going for a beach body, or just looking to get lean?

I don't do BB shows, I'm acutally more into powerlifting but want to really lean out for the summer so more so beach body/getting lean.

As for the sust, I completely agree on the build up for the long ester. This is the 3 week build up protocol I've used before and had success with:

Since per 250mg of sust we have:

30 mg Prop - half life = 3 days
60 mg Phenylprop -half life = 4.5 days
60 mg Isocaproate - half life = 9 days
100mg decanoate - half life = 15 days

Day 1 - 250mg
Day 3 - 50mg
Day 5 - 50mg
Day 8 - 100mg
Day 11 - 100mg
Day 14 - 100mg
Day 18 - 150mg
Day 22 - 250mg
Day 29 - 250mg
Day 36 - 250mg
etc..

I've done this protocol only for 250mg/week so I cant say how well it would work at higher doses but this has worked perfectly for me in the past and I find the once a week sust injections I hold less water then even twice a week with cyp or enanthate.

 

[The Dude]

I don't do BB shows, I'm acutally more into powerlifting but want to really lean out for the summer so more so beach body/getting lean.

As for the sust, I completely agree on the build up for the long ester. This is the 3 week build up protocol I've used before and had success with:

Since per 250mg of sust we have:

30 mg Prop - half life = 3 days
60 mg Phenylprop -half life = 4.5 days
60 mg Isocaproate - half life = 9 days
100mg decanoate - half life = 15 days

Day 1 - 250mg
Day 3 - 50mg
Day 5 - 50mg
Day 8 - 100mg
Day 11 - 100mg
Day 14 - 100mg
Day 18 - 150mg
Day 22 - 250mg
Day 29 - 250mg
Day 36 - 250mg
etc..

I've done this protocol only for 250mg/week so I cant say how well it would work at higher doses but this has worked perfectly for me in the past and I find the once a week sust injections I hold less water then even twice a week with cyp or enanthate.

Do you just prefer Sust? Some guys just like different things. I agree with Presser that b/c of the short esters you should do it more frequently or add in some Test Prop to keep it level.
If you're using T3 I would want a little higher test dose personally. That stuff can eat muscle on some people pretty quickly

 

[czyc]

Do you just prefer Sust? Some guys just like different things. I agree with Presser that b/c of the short esters you should do it more frequently or add in some Test Prop to keep it level.
If you're using T3 I would want a little higher test dose personally. That stuff can eat muscle on some people pretty quickly

Yeah, I prefer sust to test-e or test-c, less bloat, less acne, better libido and sense of well being. I don't know why, it just works well with my body haha.
My favorite is test-prop but my last cycle was prop+mast+tren-ace and I want to have a break from the everyday pinning.

I figure 250mg of test per week + 100mg/day of Var will be plenty to counteract any catabolic effects from the T3 (only running 50mcg/day). I've ran 100mcg of legit T3 on 250mg/week test and 350mg/week tren and gained quite a bit of mass so I'm not too concerned. If i notice any loss in lean mass or strength I'll drop the T3 to 37.5mcg/day.

 

[Presser]

Yeah, I prefer sust to test-e or test-c, less bloat, less acne, better libido and sense of well being. I don't know why, it just works well with my body haha.
My favorite is test-prop but my last cycle was prop+mast+tren-ace and I want to have a break from the everyday pinning.

I figure 250mg of test per week + 100mg/day of Var will be plenty to counteract any catabolic effects from the T3 (only running 50mcg/day). I've ran 100mcg of legit T3 on 250mg/week test and 350mg/week tren and gained quite a bit of mass so I'm not too concerned. If i notice any loss in lean mass or strength I'll drop the T3 to 37.5mcg/day.

You really should wait for week 3 or 4 to start your Anavar and Proviron since your doing just once a week sustanon injections and it wont fully kick in until then.

And your last cycle is close to my all time favorite cycle as Testosterone Propionate is my favorite as well, Propionate, Tren ace, winstrol, and IGF-1 kicks ass. I always heard guys say they loved it with masteron like you have in there, and i wouldnt mind trying that someday in the future maybe.

 

[czyc]

You really should wait for week 3 or 4 to start your Anavar and Proviron since your doing just once a week sustanon injections and it wont fully kick in until then.

And your last cycle is close to my all time favorite cycle as Testosterone Propionate is my favorite as well, Propionate, Tren ace, winstrol, and IGF-1 kicks ass. I always heard guys say they loved it with masteron like you have in there, and i wouldnt mind trying that someday in the future maybe.

yeah man test-prop + tren-ace is incredible, I find the mast really helps dry you out as well as gives a nice libido boost and just makes you feel better. Biggest problem for me was the night sweats, was running 350mg prop and 420 mg ace and even at those relatively low doses I woke up drenched every night no matter how I modified my diet..

 

[Presser]

yeah man test-prop + tren-ace is incredible, I find the mast really helps dry you out as well as gives a nice libido boost and just makes you feel better. Biggest problem for me was the night sweats, was running 350mg prop and 420 mg ace and even at those relatively low doses I woke up drenched every night no matter how I modified my diet..

yep i would have pillows waiting on deck next to the bed, so when i soaked threw one, i would switch it out with a dry one middle of the night,lol, even had to change t-shirts mid night!

Though I never used it with masterone, always winstrol