Maybe a dumb question, but....

[LP105]

I'm just about finishing my 2nd week of Sus 250 and Ganabol 200 1cc each e3d and about to take my 5th shot also taking nolva 20mg ed. I am going to start HCG on this 5th shot, 250iu e3d. The question is I dont want to start the hcg is the sus is fake, my nuts are still hanging fully, how long should it take till you notice a difference in your sack?

 

[MMX2]

Why are you doing hcg on a low dosage of test?
It can take 14-16 days to begin to feel the full effects of sust since its got several esters that release at different times.
How long have you been doing cycles and hypothetically, what brand of test are you using?

 

[LP105]

I have done cycles in the past, not sure how many times. On this site in the Muscle Chem Encyclopedia it says " A dosage of 500 mg/week is completely sufficient" looking to avoid sides if possible so not looking to go too high on mg. You don't think 500mg wk is enough? Hypothetically BBD. HCG during for quicker recovery

 

[Eat'n Big]

The effects of testicular atrophy vary with people with sus I noticed, how ever it's more common around the 4th-5 week when all the mid and long esters that have built up start to take effect.

You are doing this correct, as it is NOT a low dose of test, it is well above TRT treatment, thus 500 us beyond sufficient for growth in your case.

Glad to see that you took the proper steps, and your picking at this knowing that the HCG is needed.
Keep doing what your doing, 250ius E3d of HCG bro.

Good luck, and happy growing

 

[big in vegas]

I'm just about finishing my 2nd week of Sus 250 and Ganabol 200 1cc each e3d and about to take my 5th shot also taking nolva 20mg ed. I am going to start HCG on this 5th shot, 250iu e3d. The question is I dont want to start the hcg is the sus is fake, my nuts are still hanging fully, how long should it take till you notice a difference in your sack?

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Couple more weeks and you'll know for sure

 

[LP105]

The effects of testicular atrophy vary with people with sus I noticed, how ever it's more common around the 4th-5 week when all the mid and long esters that have built up start to take effect.

You are doing this correct, as it is NOT a low dose of test, it is well above TRT treatment, thus 500 us beyond sufficient for growth in your case.

Glad to see that you took the proper steps, and your picking at this knowing that the HCG is needed.
Keep doing what your doing, 250ius E3d of HCG bro.

Good luck, and happy growing

Thanks Eat'n, one last question. I read that after I come off the nolva, all the estrogen that has been blocked will now flood the receptors. So if I'm taking the nolva for about 5 wks after last shot will this still be a problem, does the extra estrogen go away in that time and if not How do I stop this? Also, should I keep the nolva at 20mg ed till the end or should I cut it back now to 10mg then up it back to 20 for the last 5wks?

 

[Eat'n Big]

Thanks Eat'n, one last question. I read that after I come off the nolva, all the estrogen that has been blocked will now flood the receptors. So if I'm taking the nolva for about 5 wks after last shot will this still be a problem, does the extra estrogen go away in that time and if not How do I stop this? Also, should I keep the nolva at 20mg ed till the end or should I cut it back now to 10mg then up it back to 20 for the last 5wks?

Brother,
Nolva will not block estro completely, it will only stop it from binding in/with certain tissues primarily the breast tissue. The estro will still be very much available to the body, but will be absorbed accordingly. Your body will not treat estro as a flood gate, and save it all, and all the sudden you have 6 weeks worth of estro flooding the system, if that was the case we all would have some tits around here. Think of the estro hormone much like a free agent, it will bypass will it stands no chance, but get picked up and used else where. You can still get estro related effects from this, but not the ones that are being addressed. We use Tamoxifen because of just that as it addresses the issue we are most concerned about.

For your PCT, I would cut back on the nolva now and see where you are at, as you may not need it at this point. Soon as PCT comes around start it at 60mgs first week, 40mgs weeks second/third week, and 20mgs last two after that. By this time you should have achieved a healthy recovery, but still early enough that if you did not, that you can repeat over again. Keep in mind that estro too plays a strong key roll in our body's and completely blocking it out and shutting it down can be equally damaging.

 

[big in vegas]

Brother,
Nolva will not block estro completely, it will only stop it from binding in/with certain tissues primarily the breast tissue. The estro will still be very much available to the body, but will be absorbed accordingly. Your body will not treat estro as a flood gate, and save it all, and all the sudden you have 6 weeks worth of estro flooding the system, if that was the case we all would have some tits around here. Think of the estro hormone much like a free agent, it will bypass will it stands no chance, but get picked up and used else where. You can still get estro related effects from this, but not the ones that are being addressed. We use Tamoxifen because of just that as it addresses the issue we are most concerned about.

For your PCT, I would cut back on the nolva now and see where you are at, as you may not need it at this point. Soon as PCT comes around start it at 60mgs first week, 40mgs weeks second/third week, and 20mgs last two after that. By this time you should have achieved a healthy recovery, but still early enough that if you did not, that you can repeat over again. Keep in mind that estro too plays a strong key roll in our body's and completely blocking it out and shutting it down can be equally damaging.[/QUOTE]

I was waiting for this to be said, I was going to, but I thought for sure you'd touch on this one

 

[Eat'n Big]

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I was waiting for this to be said, I was going to, but I thought for sure you'd touch on this one[/QUOTE]
It was either you or me my man, so I jumped on it...:coollook:

 

[big in vegas]

Yep, I knew it was coming, but wasn't sure who would be the first to throw it out