poundstone shake
- Thread starter Crazymank
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i did it and the meat got dusty like and it gagged me
Chris-Winfield
Banana
yup milk.
chicken breast is much better then powder
I agree Chicken has a good amino acid profile and chicken breasts are cheap. But what makes eating the chicken even more beneficial is the metabolism and the energy needed to break down the chicken etc... If you look at the amino acid profile of chicken and compare it to say a Whey/Casein Blend like Elite Gourmet. Using the "Typical Amino Acid Profile Per 100 Grams of Protein" the Whey/Casein blend blows Chicken away. And on top of that there are added BCAAs and Glutamine Peptides. So I can totally see the benefit of EATING chicken but honestly don't see the point to blend it up.
That doesn't sound to tasty. lol. I'll probably stick with powder shakes.
Crazymank
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
im actually trying to get all my nutrition from real food. I mean, i have a post workout shake after every workout, but im really getting away from protein shakes.
I dont think i need quite the same amount of protein right now, so im not going to try this any time soon. But i do think i will my next cycle. Just cause pounding 5k plus calories is very hard for me.
I dont think i need quite the same amount of protein right now, so im not going to try this any time soon. But i do think i will my next cycle. Just cause pounding 5k plus calories is very hard for me.
Just for interest sake in the discussion, what is it exactly that makes protein powders less desirable than "real food"? My thought is this: modern chicken, unless you're talking about raising your own and butchering them pre-blend, is packed full of synthetic growth hormones, fattening agents, pathogens, and more. So what exactly is it in the "real food" that you are wanting that isn't in a high quality protein powder? A protein is a protein. If you're trying to eat healthy, boost the intake of the building blocks of muscle, then eating MORE of a "real" food isn't necessarily the answer. Yes, there are other things that your body needs from whole foods, but at a certain point you don't need more of the vitamins, minerals, fats, etc. and really do just need more of a certain number of things to aid your mass-gaining goals. Hence the protein isolate...aka protein powder, BCAA regimen, etc...
Anyway, like I said, just interested in the topic and would really like to delve into the science of it all.
Anyway, like I said, just interested in the topic and would really like to delve into the science of it all.
Pharm_Fed
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
I think (N)Shape said it well, the benefit to eating real food is the energy and metabolism needed to break it down. You don't really get that from a shake.
I can definitely see where you're going with that. I would add, though, that its important to recognize that protein powders are "real food". And in some respects, more so than the typical "chickens" we tend to eat. Less additives in many respects. More importantly, though, we're really kind'a talking about two different goals here. On one hand we're talking about overall nutrition, where "whole" foods are king. You know, balanced diet, getting the vitamins and minerals we need, maybe even opting for organic foods as opposed to the typical grocery chain fare.
However, on the other hand, we're talking supplementation. I'd say its safe to say that a chicken shake has the goal of boosting protein intake to facilitate muscle growth and retention. In this case, we're actually stepping out of the realm of normal nutrition. The body isn't really designed to put large amounts of mass on. Isn't that why most of us are on here anyway? Because at a point, the body pretty much stops naturally putting mass on and you have to tweak your intake and force it to do what you want. You have to basically force it to do what you want by feeding it larger than normal amounts of certain things. That's "supplementation".
Back to the chicken...increased metabolism isn't necessarily going to help you put mass on either. Even if it was, though, its worth noting that metabolic rates are influenced by the complexity of the molecules that are being digested. Proteins as a group are the largest and most complex, by far, of the macromolecules, and therefore also require the most energy to digest. A whole-protein supplement (as opposed to BCAA or EAA that would be injested rapidly...hence their presense in pre-, intra- and post-workout products), then, would in fact be more efficient in many ways, when comparing calories burned due to metabolism of the source.
Which brings us back to the question, what's the goal and what's the best tool to get there? Do you really want to ingest a shaker of chicken blend, with all its added hormones and growth factors, fats, etc. or do you want to isolate the things you really need, remove the things you don't, and package it as a protein supplement? I guess I'd just say that when you look at the facts and compare apples to apples, a protein isolate IS a real food and we really don't need to be afraid of it or turn to extremes like chicken smoothies.
Don't get me wrong...I definitely agree that in general whole foods are better. But, when you're trying to accomplish a specific goal, don't be afraid of using a specific tool. "Supplements" are getting some really bad press right now in both mass media and in Congress. But, when apples are compared to apples, there is much about a good supplement that is more natural and arguably "better" than what is typically available in the market. Supplements really need not be thought of as inferior. In reality, a quality supplement is simply an isolated nutrient that you need in a larger quantity than what is normally ingested.
Chris-Winfield
Banana
Im really interested in reading these post , but too lazy 
Pharm_Fed
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
If I understand you, it sounds like your assertion is that a WPI shake takes just as much energy to digest as whole food? I don't have any concrete evidence to dispute that, but bro-logic has always taken the opposing position. Also, speaking from personal experience, whenever I drink a shake, I am hungry 30 minutes later. If I eat a meal with 'whole food', it takes longer to get hungry again. Whey is known for being quickly digested and my experience would support that. I don't know that is definitely a correlation between speed of digestion and energy required to digest but it would make sense that the more energy required to digest, the longer it would take. That would lead me to think whole foods, in fact, do require more energy to digest.
Now, don't get me wrong, I think a chicken smoothie sounds gross and I would drink a whey shake over that any day of the week. Nor am I saying there is anything wrong with shakes, like you said, they have their place. This topic is interesting though so I appreciate your input.
big lifter
New member
10/10 , good post mate.
powders have just as much place as real food, the arguement isnt that powders should replace real food, its that they are supplements. they are used to supplement an already organised diet.
when you feel hungry 30 minutes after a shakes its because, whey protein is deisnged for that, being quickly absorbed hence being taken post workout, followed by a whole food meal.
every supplement has a purpose and IMO most of them are un nessecary if there is a proper diet being followd, i hardly ever use supplements except from my whey, i dont get it when guys use dozens of different supps though.
Was it poundstone that did steak too? I can not fathom that at all. One thing that I am not sure was mentioned, is the difference in digestive times, even with protein. Whole founds, if a balanced meal is consumed, is going to keep your body processing things for a longer period of time than say a protein that is fast digesting. I realize there are time release proteins as well but, you need things like fiber and other vitamins and minerals that shakes may not have. You could technically supplement all those things but can you imagine how much that would cost.
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