IGF / Prohormone Cycle Log

SD craves carbs, so if you aren't eating enough you might be getting hangry - as funny as that sounds. I took 20mg and had no changes in mood other than the fact I was exhausted 24/7 - granted I often only sleep 3-6 hours per night because of the recruit training schedule, but hey. Adding trest to it helped with the lethargy and then I was fine. Wish I could help you with the anger issues.
I told you it would kick in quickly though :)

I have read a lot about how important it is to have carbs with SD.
I do feel that I am consuming enough carbs.
I even decided to throw a couple Pop-Tarts in every day because of the SD.
I am now having a carb source with every meal.
That kind of freaks me out, but I'm willing to risk gaining a little fat, if that means I will add more muscle.
That's what the cutting cycle is going to be for.

Also, I haven't noticed any lethargy yet. Hopefully that will stay away.
I'm taking a decent amount of Trest, so I should be fine.

It definitely kicked in quick. My workouts this week have been incredible.
I'm sure that's a combination of everything, but either way, I like it!

I'm pretty excited to see how this goes.
Thanks!
 
5 WEEK UPDATE:

So, I got a couple hundred 10mg tabs of Dbol today.
I'm considering running it with the SD.

It seems like I could keep the sides low by running it like this.

SD 10/10/10/10/10
Dbol 10/10/10/10/10/10

I wish I had just a little more SD so I could run it at 20mg/ED for a week or two, but that's all I've got.

Also, I have decided to taper down the Trest-Ace to 25mg/EOD for this week, and then discontinue use.
I also believe that I am going to keep the Trest-Deca at 150mg/Week for a while to see how it goes.

I decided to go so low with the Trest, because I am a little concerned about Gyno, since I have so much fat on my chest as it is.
I hold all of my fat on my torso, so that really sucks. Sure wish I could distribute it evenly.
Anyway, I noticed my chest seems to be a little more "puffy" than usual.
I think this could just be due to the cells being filled with water from the Trest, and will most likely subside once the cycle ends.
My nips are not itchy or anything, but to be safe, I think I should increase the Arimadex to 1mg/ED for a week, and see how it looks.
I also have Letro and Nolva on hand just in case.
My main concern is if any of it is real in the first place.
I know I should have cut up a bit more before doing any of this. Unfortunately, my patience ran out.

Honestly, I really wish I would have done more research before starting all of this.
I have pretty much decided that I would have much rather just started out with IGF/Peptides, and a low Test base.
I didn't know anything about peptides until after I started getting all of the PH's, Designers.
But, the problem is that I have amassed quite a collection of Anabolics/PH's. I hate to let them go to waste...
I'm starting to think that once they are gone, I will just run peps in the future. I'm too paranoid about side effects.
I'm pretty sure I'm losing some hair up front also, even while using Finasteride 1.25/ED, Nizoral 2% ED, and Minoxidil 5% 2x/ED.
I can tell it's thinner. That sucks.
I plan to get implants in the future anyway, but that's $4K, so it's on hold right now.

Sorry for all the negativity. I know that's not cool.
I think it would be different if I was blowing up like I have read about so many people doing on their first cycle.

I'm up to 183, so I gained a couple pounds in the last week.
Strength is still increasing, and workouts are going great.
I really wish I had more of an appetite though. I still have to force myself to eat all the time.
Honestly, I really enjoy weight training, but the diet thing really sucks. I would much rather eat to lose weight.
It seems like between that and having to drink at least a gallon of water, the two consume my entire day.
I have started adding raw egg whites to my shakes. Hopefully that will help a bit.


As always, I'm open to any suggestions you guys have on anything.
Thanks guys!
 
I also wanted to add that I am almost finished with 1 bottle of Syntherol (100ml)
I have added 1" to my calves, and I feel that I would have to use a lot more to get more size.
I'm actually really happy with how they look. Obviously @ 14", I still want them larger, but I think it's a great start.
It's definitely a nice improvement, and even if I only add 1 more inch, I think I will feel a lot better about them in the summer.

So, I think I have decided to cycle the Synth.
I plan on taking 4-8 weeks off to allow the muscle to fill, and then repeat the same protocol.
I have read of others Cycling Synth with great results.
It seems like a good way to make solid gains without having to use as much.
 
I usually find that my nipples get really sensitive and itchy if I'm having slight gyno issues. Do you have any of that going on buddy?

And, I love me some Dbol. Its a real "FEEL GOOD" ride. Just gotta keep it low enough to not Bloat up, but high enough to "Feel" it

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I think you're fine. My brother is getting some gyno symptoms so I gave him a bottle of Leto I had laying around. You will definately feel it. Itchy and painful. The eating part sucks. I routinely tell people that I force feed myself 7 times a day to enjoy myself for 75 minutes in the gym. It's worth it though. As you progress you will be further and further from the norm. Even people that don't like or know anything about what you do can't help but be impressed.
I know and sometimes refer to the fact that I have more conviction and dedication to my chosen goals than any of the people I encounter on a daily basis including supervisors or who ever else and I wear that fact for everyone to see.

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I think you're fine. My brother is getting some gyno symptoms so I gave him a bottle of Leto I had laying around. You will definately feel it. Itchy and painful. The eating part sucks. I routinely tell people that I force feed myself 7 times a day to enjoy myself for 75 minutes in the gym. It's worth it though. As you progress you will be further and further from the norm. Even people that don't like or know anything about what you do can't help but be impressed.
I know and sometimes refer to the fact that I have more conviction and dedication to my chosen goals than any of the people I encounter on a daily basis including supervisors or who ever else and I wear that fact for everyone to see.

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That makes me feel better, because I don't feel anything. It's probably just in my head.
What dose of Trest is your brother running?
 
So, I'm starting to look a little more into my cutting cycle, and I was considering running Masteron, until I read this.
Hopefully, I'll be able to get my body fat down before then, but I know I will still have a ways to go.
That was the whole idea of the cutting cycle.


Masteron (2a- 2a-methyl-dihydro-testosterone propionate) is a derivative of DHT (dihydrotestosterone).
In medicine, Masteron is not used like other anabolic steroids for weight and strength gains among patients with wasting diseases.
Clinically, Masteron is prescribed to combat certain types of breast cancer. Masteron is often used along with Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) to treat breast cancer tissue prior to chemotherapy.
So we have a non-traditional steroid that is used in the treatment of breast cancer in women.
Does this drug have any effects that would be of interest to male models or bodybuilders? Absolutely!

Masteron is an amazing and unique lean muscle building and hardening drug. It is definitely in the top two drugs for building lean muscle tissue.
Masteron is five times more androgenic (meaning the steroid properties that control the development and maintenance of masculine characteristics such as body hair, genitals and muscle mass) and bonds to the receptor sites in your muscle tissue at least three times better than testosterone!
Working as a derivative of DHT, Masteron is the preferred pre-contest/physique modeling drug for improving muscle density, hardness and vascularity.
For about 5 weeks before a bodybuilding contest or a photoshoot, athletes and models will use Masteron at a dose of 100mg every other day.
At this dosage, Masteron is great for cutting up.

However, there is a catch. You should really only use Masteron under special conditions. That special condition is that a model or athlete already has a low bodyfat percentage.
Masteron works best for a bodybuilder or physique model who has already achieved the leanest physique possible, ideally with a body fat percentage in the single digits.
If you are truly lean enough, with body fat in the single digits, then adding Masteron to an anabolic steroid cycle will truly set you apart from the rest of the crowd.
Plus it will help you land that physique modeling gig or win that first bodybuilding competition with razor sharp cuts and vascularity.
How does Masteron work?

Well first off, Masteron will not aromatize to estrogen or progesterone at all - preventing any water retention and puffiness.
In addition, Masteron will lower your natural estrogen levels and actually block the aromatization (conversion) of other steroids into estrogen.
This is a good thing since, as men, we want to keep our estrogen levels low.
Masteron is so effective at blocking aromatization that you may not need to take an anti-estrogen if you include it on a steroid cycle.
The benefit here is that an androgenic cycle becomes much more anabolic if you can stay on it for a prolonged period of time without the use of an anti-estrogen.
And lowering your natural estrogen level makes it impossible for you to retain water, gain fat, or watch chick flicks!

A common cycle for physique models would involve a little Masteron injected every other day combined with a testosterone or possibly trenbolone acetate. Winstrol, Masteron, trenbolone acetate, and testosterone propionate are the 4 best cutting steroids around. However, unfortunately, in the US, they are not legal for cosmetic uses, even if you are working with your doctor. There is, however, a safe and highly effective legal supplement that possesses many of their properties and it is taken orally, but it's pretty hard to find and fairly expensive - although nowhere near the cost of the 4 steroids I mentioned here.

Here's how I would rate Masteron on a scale of 1 to 10 with 1 being the worst and 10 the best.

Masteron – Drostanolone (propionate or dipropionate)
Pharmaceutical Name:2-alpha-methyl-androstan-3-one-17beta-ol
D rug Class: Anabolic/ Androgenic injectable DHT steroid
Half Life: 48-72 hours
Typical dose: 400-500mgs weekly/men 100mgs weekly/women

Strength gains: 7
Weight gains: 7
Lean muscle gains: 8
Ability to lock on to receptor: 10
Ability to vacate the receptor: 7
Effectiveness of message delivery: 8
Speed through the body: 7
Side effects: 10
Secondary effects: 7
Ability to keep gains: 10

Side Effects:
Acne: Yes
Water Retention: None
High Blood Pressure: Rare
Liver Toxic: None
Aromatization: None
Noted Comments: High Androgenic/Moderate Anabolic/Moderate anti-estrogenic
DHT Conversion: None DHT-derived
Decreases HPTA Function: Low if any

Average cost:
Average Street Cost: $600/month
PS: Here's a list of the different brands and strengths for the anabolic steroid Masteron.
Mastabol Depot 100Mg/Ml (British Dragon)
Mastabol Depot 200Mg/Ml
Masteril 100Mg/2Ml
Masteron 100Mg/2Ml
Mastisol 5% Injection Solution
Metormon 100Mg/2Ml
Stealth Injectable 5Ml Sachet, 100Mg/Ml

"However, there is a catch. You should really only use Masteron under special conditions. That special condition is that a model or athlete already has a low bodyfat percentage."

So, do you guys know if this is correct? If so, then I need to start looking at something else.

I'm in the early stages of planning this, but I was thinking:

Test Prop
Materon, Winny, or EQ
Albuterol (I like that it has a shorter half-life than Clen)
Maybe some Anavar for an oral, but I have Tren/Epi prohormones. (I don't have to take them though.)
Everyone has me afraid of Tren because of all the sides.

I also plan on running peptides/IGF, but I'll get to that later.

I imagine my bf% will still be close to 15-20%, so I'm gonna need a lot of work.
I'm open to suggestions.
Thanks
 
UPDATE: DAY 39

Okay, So, I've decided to make a couple changes in my cycle.

I have decided to drop the SuperDrol, and just run the Dbol for 3.5 more weeks @ 30mg/ED.
Obviously, this dose may change depending on how I react to it, but so far, so good.
I have been running the Dbol since Friday, and have experienced no side effects from it at all.
I started at 10mg/ED, and worked up to 20mg. I will be having a total of 30mg today split into 3 doses. (B,L,D)

I know I wasted a little of the SD, but that's not a concern. I have access to more at a pretty reasonable price. (100x 10mg tabs for $60)
I'm just not comfortable running more than 1 oral at a time, and I need to know how each compound affects me individually for future reference.
It's also best for my liver.

I have also decided to drop in a little Test E.
There are conflicting theories as to whether or not this is effective with Trestolone, but I have decided the only way to know for sure is to try it.
Either way, I don't think it can hurt. They will make more.
I actually started last week with 250mg.
I am not sure yet, but I think I may taper up to 375-500mg/Week once the Dbol run is complete.
This will give me a total of 12 weeks on Test E.

I will then take a 4 week break from orals (my liver will thank me), and then resume the SD on week 13-16. (End of cycle)
If the Dbol is as good as I'm hoping, I may not even need the SD at the end. That would be great!
I think I would like to add another 10-20lbs by the time this cycle is over.

I lost a few pounds in the last 4 days (hopefully water), because I have been fighting some stomach problems.
I have been adding fiber to my shakes for the last couple of days, and now I'm back in top shape.

I had an awesome workout today.
I pinned 30mcg MC IGF into each Tricep, and had a pump like I have never had before.
I mean, I always get great pumps, but today, it was so intense I could hardly bend my arms.
The pump felt amazing, but just didn't last long after my workout.
Bummer...
 
It's looking good Bro. My brother is using 50mg EOD. He's almost out of his first two bottles and I got him two more. He loves the stuff

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It's looking good Bro. My brother is using 50mg EOD. He's almost out of his first two bottles and I got him two more. He loves the stuff

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50mg/EOD (Ace) is what I'm running.
I have also been running 150mg/Week of the Trest-Deca along with it.
This is my 4th week of the Deca, so I'm not sure if it has kicked in yet. Probably soon.

Glad to hear he's enjoying it.
I attribute most of the recomp i am getting from it.
You can tell it has a thermogenic effect, which is great because I really needed it.
I can tell I'm still leaning out.
I'm not sure about the Trest-Deca yet, but I will be using the Trest-Ace again.
 
6 Week Update:

I'm a little late on this because I have been in pretty rough shape for about a week and a half now, and haven't felt like doing anything.
I started out having stomach cramps, and last Thursday I started to come down with a cold, that has progressively gotten worse.

I have not taken any orals for the past week.
I'm gonna take 3 more weeks off, and just run Test/Trest/IGF, and TUDCA/Milk Thistle/NAC to recoup my liver.
I have had no signs of liver damage. I'm just trying to be safe since I can't afford BW.

I am currently running 375mg/week of Testosterone E, and 300mg/week of Trest-Deca (that was just increased from 150mg/Week).
I'll taper up the Test over the next couple weeks to 500mg/Week, but I'm gonna keep the Trest @ 300mg/Week.

My chest is still puffy, and I am really thinking that is due to Prolactin. That seems to be a common issue with Trest being that it is a 19-Nor compound.
There is no discharge, sensitivity, or itchiness. Just puffiness.
I feel that the Arimidex @ .5mg/EOD has kept my estro levels in check, but i freaked out because of my chest getting puffy.
I ran Letro for a week, and it really wore me out. I do feel that my estrogen levels got a little too low, but I feel like it may be back to normal now.
It had no effect on my chest.
So, I cashed in some credits for some Anti-P from MC. That's such a cool bonus for posting on this site!
I'm really hoping that will help with the puffy chest, but if it doesn't, I'm going to try and stop focusing on it, and just take care of it after the cycle.

Unfortunately, I am back to the weight I started at. 176lbs from 183lbs.
I have also lost .5" on my arms
Lost .5" on my calves
Lost 1.5" on chest/Shoulders
Lost 1.5" on thighs

All of that has happened since I got sick.
I have still been able to maintain some gains though.

Overall, my measurements are still up a bit.
I'm up 1" on arms
up.5" on calves
up 3.5" chest/shoulders
up 1.5" on thighs

I'm really ready to get better, so I can get back in the gym and freaking grow!
This is a frustrating drawback, but I have to let my body heal before I put it through any more strenuous exercise.
 
I'm finally over that stupid cold, and ready to get back at it. I actually feel refreshed from the break.

I have decided to run some Celtic Epi with the Dbol instead of Superdrol.
I just felt that Dbol and Superdrol was going to be too toxic for my first cycle, or probably ever.

I ordered some UDCA, and I will be adding 250mg/ED of it to the TUDCA I am already taking.
I have also added Milk Thistle, Dandelion Root, Artichoke Extract, and NAC for the last week.
Just trying to make sure my liver is taken care of.

I'm hoping that the anti-estro properties of Epi will help to minimize bloat from the Dbol.
It also seems like the gains should be a little more solid with the addition of Epi since it is a "Dry" compound.
Epi is methylated, but isn't too harsh on the liver from what I've read.
It seems to be a pretty mild compound, so I feel a lot better about running it with Dbol.

I think I'm going to run them for 5-6 weeks depending on how it goes.
Dbol will be: 10/20/20/20/20/20
Epi will be: 10/20/20/30/30/30

I am also running Test E @ 500mg/Week, and Trest Deca @ 300mg/Week, and MC IGF @ 40mcg/ED

I have gone back to 2ml Syntherol EOD in my calves, and they are back up to 14". I know that's tiny, but it's still an increase of 1". They look so much better.

My nips are still puffy and pointed. I hate the way it looks, but from what I've read, it can be reversed. (I hope)
I'm still waiting for my MC Anti-P. It's been over 1 week, so I hope it makes it.
I'm not complaining though, because I got it for free with credits! Awesome!
I really want to get this problem corrected, because it's really freaking me out. This is a new problem for me, and honestly, it scares me.
I can't help to think, What if it's permanent?

Anyway, I really think it's from prolactin, because the Letro didn't effect it at all, and they are not sore or itchy or anything.
Dostinex sounds like it's just what I need. I just hope it makes it here soon so I can find out.
I'm going to run it at .5mg/Week. It has a very long half-life, so that should be enough.

It looks like the cycle is going to be a total of 15 weeks. I have decided to run PCT for 6 weeks, and I have everything I need except for Clomid.
I'm hoping to rack up enough credits to get a bottle soon, because I'm still unemployed. That stinks!
 
Have you tried increasing your AI to fight the pointed nips. Whenever I run TD trest I have to run a fairly hefty dose of AI (25mg Exem ED right now), to fight the sensitive nipples. It sucks, but trial and error and I found that worked best. Consider trying something similar. It will truly help you feel better on a day to day basis.
The Epi shouldn't do much to fight the nipples unless all they are is excess fat, in which case the Epi should help. Epi will certainly be less harsh than SD, although I'm surprised you had such a harsh reaction to it at such a small dose.
Good luck!
 
Yes. I increased Dex to 1mg/ED for a while, and I ran Letro for a week up to 2.5mg. The Letro made me feel like crap. From what I've read, I had symptoms off low estro. That's why I'm thinking it's prolactin. Also, they aren't sensitive or itchy. They are just puffy. I'm not running Epi as an AI. It just seems like it would be an interesting companion to Db. I do have fat to get rid of, so I would like to stay as dry as possible. So far, I'm still leaning out. I'm happy about that.
 
2.5mg Letro is a lot more than most people would recommend. I can imagine you felt like ass. I guess it could be prolactin. I haven't read much about it or how to treat it because I haven't had that issue yet.
I'm not saying the Epi would work as an AI, but i've heard many report it had relatively favorable results on puffy nipples. Not sure why, but I assumed it was the potentially increased fat there. Now, if it truly is prolactin then it probably won't help that, but it should do wonders for shedding some excess fat elsewhere.
I just ordered 2 bottles of Epiandro which I'm told does wonders on cutting down and should stack very well with trest. I should find out staring the end of this week.
 
2.5mg Letro is a lot more than most people would recommend. I can imagine you felt like ass. I guess it could be prolactin. I haven't read much about it or how to treat it because I haven't had that issue yet.
I'm not saying the Epi would work as an AI, but i've heard many report it had relatively favorable results on puffy nipples. Not sure why, but I assumed it was the potentially increased fat there. Now, if it truly is prolactin then it probably won't help that, but it should do wonders for shedding some excess fat elsewhere.
I just ordered 2 bottles of Epiandro which I'm told does wonders on cutting down and should stack very well with trest. I should find out staring the end of this week.

2.5mg Letro is the most recommended dose for Gyno reversal. You are supposed to start at .25mg and work your way up.
I did that for a week, and it had no effect on my chest. Just lethargy.

Anyway, it still seems to be getting worse as of today.
My Anti-P from MC still hasn't arrived. It's been 12 days since I requested it, so I'm hoping it didn't get lost or something.
I'm hoping it will be here soon so I can get started on that. I guess that's the only way I will know if it's prolactin or not.
If the Anti-P doesn't do the trick, then I'm guessing my Arimadex is fake. That is certainly a possibility.

I'm not running the Epi as an AI.
I was just saying that it has AI properties, and it may cut down on some of the water weight from the Dbol.
Obviously, I'm also hoping to lose more fat from it as well.
I am still leaning out, and I am more vascular. Tonight, my girl said "Your veins are popping out". I thought that was pretty cool.

Sounds like we are on very similar paths at the moment. Good luck with everything, and keep it up.
 
I types up this long post about prostaglandins. Long story short they will destroy the fat cells. Inject right into them. I believe several research companies carry them. It's painful and it will force you to evacuate your bowels, but whatever fat is in your nips will shrivel up and die. They are sold as either PGF or PGA

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