Is Test necessary?

swolja · Jul 23, 2004

I'm looking to run a cycle of Winny and EQ.

EQ at 400-500mg/wk for 10-12 weeks and 50mg EOD of winny for last 6 weeks.

Everyone says i need to add some Test to this. I was thinking of adding 500mg/wk of Enanthate for the duration of the cycle, but i hate the sides that come with test.

I've run a 6 week cycle of just Winny and EQ before and liked it. I think i'll get a lot more out of this, but i can't look too crazy (water retention) because of my job.

Can/should i add it and how can i keep sides to a minimum?

Presser · Jul 23, 2004

i woud add it for sure and take an anti-estrogen on hand lke nolva wich i find to eradictae symptoms of sides faster then most

swolja · Jul 23, 2004

Ok thanks.

I guess i'll add the Enan.

How much Nolva should i keep on hand? Enough for several weeks?

If i take it to help with sides, do i stay on it or discontinue after sides are gone?

Presser · Jul 23, 2004

yeah a few weeks worth is always good to have bro, as for when to stop using it, i would say when sides crrep up jump on it and lower test dosage then jump off the nolva and see how it feels, personaly i think its best to run an anti-e through the entire cycle, its cheap to do, and better safe then sorry and it doesnt hinder gains as some proclaim it to

swolja · Jul 23, 2004

Thanks man.

And damn that was fast!

I'll make sure to stock up on the nolva.

QueenofDamned · Jul 23, 2004

IMO, test is important in any cycle. the water retension can be kept to a minimum by watching your carb intake (water binds to carbohydrate at a 3:1 ratio)

also, winstrol helps free up SHBG which in turn will allow more "free flowing" test in your system.

swolja · Jul 23, 2004

I'm using it to lose a little fat anyway, but because of the AS, i figured i'd keep carbs between 200-300g per day, just all low glycemic and early in the day.

Is that going to be too high. I'm a little under 100g per day right now and it's working great. I just lowered my carbs two weeks ago. I was going to try to lose as much fat as possible, then start the cycle and try to shed just a little more while adding muscle. Should i stay at 100g or bump it up while i'm on?

Just so you have an idea, i'm 5'9", 195, 11% BF.

QueenofDamned · Jul 23, 2004

swolja said:
I'm using it to lose a little fat anyway, but because of the AS, i figured i'd keep carbs between 200-300g per day, just all low glycemic and early in the day.

Is that going to be too high. I'm a little under 100g per day right now and it's working great. I just lowered my carbs two weeks ago. I was going to try to lose as much fat as possible, then start the cycle and try to shed just a little more while adding muscle. Should i stay at 100g or bump it up while i'm on?

Just so you have an idea, i'm 5'9", 195, 11% BF.

i have a hard time keeping my carbs low while running test. i tend to go hypoglycemic, but, when dieting, my carbs are under 40gms a day.

youre gonna have to play with it and see what works for you.

jaywooly · Jul 24, 2004

I'd keep the cycle at 12 weeks instead of ten with that EQ in there.

shockfusion · Jul 24, 2004

If you are not keen on adding test to your cycle you could use mesterlone(Proviron) as your adrogen to your cycle instead.

swolja · Jul 26, 2004

I guess I'll just add test. It's not that big a deal. I haven't taken any for a long time, so i'll just see what happens.

And you really think that 2 more weeks (12 weeks instead of 10) will make that much of a difference? If it does, i guess i will, i just figured 2 bottles of EQ worked out to exactly 10 weeks at 400mg/wk, that was the main reason. A buddy of mine is going to do the same thing i do at the same time, so we could just split another bottle i guess.

If i go 12 weeks on the EQ, how many weeks on the test? The same amount? And if i can just do 10 weeks of test, do i start it at the same time as the EQ or just after?

sirben187 · Jul 26, 2004

swolja said:
And you really think that 2 more weeks (12 weeks instead of 10) will make that much of a difference? If it does, i guess i will, i just figured 2 bottles of EQ worked out to exactly 10 weeks at 400mg/wk, that was the main reason. A buddy of mine is going to do the same thing i do at the same time, so we could just split another bottle i guess.

If i go 12 weeks on the EQ, how many weeks on the test? The same amount? And if i can just do 10 weeks of test, do i start it at the same time as the EQ or just after?

In my personal experience, I never get 10cc's out of a bottle, more like 8 or 9. Don't know if it's because of the Terumo darts (they seem to hold a little bit excess in the tip of the syringe and in the needle). Anyhow, you'd be better off splitting the other bottle with your friend and running the EQ for 12. Not sure when you should start the test, I would think from the beginning. Remember, test takes 2 weeks to clear and EQ 3 weeks to clear. Better to have a little extra than not enough.

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