IGF / Prohormone Cycle Log
The Dude
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
Diet looks pretty good. Try to replace some shakes with food when you can, but it looks good. The only thing I would change about you plan is to do IGF all the way through. The longer you are on it, the better the changes in your physique. At one time I was on it for two years straight
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Nikon
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Initially, I was planning on running the IGF that way so that it would be more effective during my bridge.
I have since decided just to cruise for a month or two and then begin my cutting cycle for spring.
Do you think I would have better luck running 50on/50off? That seems to be the consensus around here. (I don't want my body to get used to it too quickly.)
BTW, I weighed myself before my workout this morning, and I have LOST 2lbs! It's a little frustrating, but I can see a difference in the mirror, so it's all good. I'm gonna try and eat more.
The syntherol seems to be making a nice difference in my Biceps. I am noticing a nice peak forming that I have never had before.
I pinned .5ml more in my right bicep this morning because it is just a little smaller than the left. I'll keep doing that until the are symmetrical.
So far, I have only been pinning the syntherol in the inside of my calves per your advice. No noticeable difference other than tightness.
Thanks!
Nikon
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UDDATE: DAY 9
I weighed myself before my workout this morning, and I was shocked to see that I have LOST 2lbs. (174lbs)
SO, I decided to take some measurements.
My arms have grown 1". They were 14" 1 month ago. Now they are both 15". The right bicep was a little smaller, so I pinned a little more oil it in. They measure the same, but the left still looks fuller. (Maybe it's just me.)
My calves have grown .5". They were 13" 1 month ago, and now they are 13.5". The left one is just a touch smaller. Syntherol will fix that.
It's really nice to see these kind of gains. I knew I was noticing a difference in the mirror, but I have been focusing too much on the weight.
I am fine with getting bigger and staying the same weight. I just want to look better to have more confidence.
I have never had a problem getting hot girls, I just don't like looking fat and out of shape, and it affects my personality.
Anyway, I'm pretty excited about the gains I've made so far, and it's really early in the cycle!
I weighed myself before my workout this morning, and I was shocked to see that I have LOST 2lbs. (174lbs)
SO, I decided to take some measurements.
My arms have grown 1". They were 14" 1 month ago. Now they are both 15". The right bicep was a little smaller, so I pinned a little more oil it in. They measure the same, but the left still looks fuller. (Maybe it's just me.)
My calves have grown .5". They were 13" 1 month ago, and now they are 13.5". The left one is just a touch smaller. Syntherol will fix that.
It's really nice to see these kind of gains. I knew I was noticing a difference in the mirror, but I have been focusing too much on the weight.
I am fine with getting bigger and staying the same weight. I just want to look better to have more confidence.
I have never had a problem getting hot girls, I just don't like looking fat and out of shape, and it affects my personality.
Anyway, I'm pretty excited about the gains I've made so far, and it's really early in the cycle!
HackTwat
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
Nice progress buddy!! The weight loss is body fat coming off. Its amazing how the body will weigh less yet look bigger. I weighed 199 at the end of my first blast 2 years ago, but I look bigger now at 180 cause I'm much leaner. I stayed on MC IGF for about 7 months straight and it never once lost its potency brother. It just keeps on giving lean muscle and taking the fat off. I lost 3 pant sizes on it....
The Dude
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
As far as taking a break from IGF, the only reason I would ever do that is if I can't afford it. There is no need to ever take a break. The longer you take it the better. Over time you will see roundness and seperation that you never thought you could attain. You will be a better bodybuilder with copious MC IGF running through you.
I'm going to start arms soon. With calves you may need to do more syntherol. The fascia on the calves is incredibly tight. I'll get some before pics of my calves. They aren't that impressive, but they are about 2" bigger than they would be had I not used syntherol. You really need to be massaging about an hour a day per muscle group. I'm pretty much constantly massaging my tricep.
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I'm going to start arms soon. With calves you may need to do more syntherol. The fascia on the calves is incredibly tight. I'll get some before pics of my calves. They aren't that impressive, but they are about 2" bigger than they would be had I not used syntherol. You really need to be massaging about an hour a day per muscle group. I'm pretty much constantly massaging my tricep.
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Nikon
New member
You guys have me thinking about just staying on. I have 5.25 bottles right now, so that should last a while.
Yesterday, after I took my IGF, i had some soreness in my left jaw.
Last night was pretty rough. I woke up 2 or 3 times, and it was like my tongue was cramped. It really freaked me out! Anyway, it's feeling a little better but it is still sore.
Any thoughts on this?
I too am constantly massaging. Pretty much all day.
My calves are just so sore it feels like they can't hold anymore. I'm sure they can, but I'm just gonna take it slow.
I pinned 2ml in each bicep today. They are tender, but not too bad.
I have 3 bottles of Syntherol, so I'm hoping that is gonna be enough to last a while. The way I understand it, it should really help since I'm using it with AAS.
BTW, Both of you guys are HUGE! I would be more than content looking like either one of you!
Thanks for all of the excellent Advice.
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HackTwat
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
I know your not talking about me being huge brother. 180 lbs is pretty small in my book. Although my weight is climbing fast now. I could literally eat my arm off waiting for the next meal at the moment. Thinking seriously about eating at a buffet tonight... LMAO!!
Nikon
New member
I guess it's all about proportion and being lean. You look pretty buff in your avatar. I'm not sure I would want to be much bigger.
I am 5'9", 174lbs, with 24% bodyfat.
I think I will be Really happy if I can gain 20lbs muscle, and lose 20lbs fat. That is my goal anyway.
Nikon
New member
That sounds frustrating!
I was just selected by Iron Flex Supplements to run a log for Diabolix!
It looks like I may be dropping the Ddrol, and running the Diabolix for 6 weeks.
How cool is that?
The Dude
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
What is Diabolix? We need a knowledgeable PH guy to run some logs so that's great. After reading about the Trestolone, I'm very interested. It's just so expensive. The compounds I use are very cost effective. Even at 150 mcg a day MC IGF has no rival for the cost.
It sucks that PH's are so much more expensive than known AAS. Trestolone seems to be a very impressive compound
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It sucks that PH's are so much more expensive than known AAS. Trestolone seems to be a very impressive compound
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Nikon
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Daibolix is very new (Launched late summer/2014). From what I have read, it seems to be very close to Dianadrol, but maybe just a touch better.
I think people react differently to different hormones, so it is hard to tell. I think it will be very interesting to run it, and then run the Ddrol to compare. Both of them are the ProHormones to Dianabol.
When ran solo, it looks like the average gain in 6-8 weeks is 10lbs.
That doesn't sound like a whole lot, but with it added to my current cycle, I think it has some really nice potential.
It is also similar to Dimethabold. Although, Dimethabold would be used for more of a bulk than a recomp.
One of the guys over at IronFlex was so impressed with my log that he decided to give me 2 bottles to run and keep a log.
This has been one of the coolest weeks ever!
Check out IronFlex @ http://ironflexsupps.com/Prohormones. They have an Excellent reputation, and I can't wait to start this!
17a-methyl-17b- hydroxyandrost-1,4-diene-3-hydrazone
It is a prohormone to dianabol, perhaps one of the most popular oral anabolic steroids of all time.
Iron Flex is offering Diabolix in a 90 count bottle with 15 mg’s of 17a-methyl-17b- hydroxyandrost-1,4-diene-3-hydrazone.
Henryv author of Total Flex Blog has indicated this is a prohormone based off a 1962 Italian paper where a couple of other anabolics were given hydrazone attachments at the third carbon (Henryv’s Full Explanation).This is now the second prohormone to dianabol tohit the market.
As you may recall Celtic Labs launched Dianodrol, a dianabol prohromone with an oxime group (read more on Dianodrol here).
Which one is going to be better, or should we say closer to actual dianabol? It’s hard to say at this point.
The few good reviews on Dianodrol seem to suggest it’s quite similar to actual dianabol, but without the bloat and overall size gains.
One good review can be found on PHF by OnTop88 – Dianadrol 45mg/30 days – Recomp“I would summarize Dianadrol as having the awesome mood elevation of Dbol, about half the strength gains, but without the dreaded Dbol bloat. Dianadrol will be in my summer rotation from now on. It is perfect for a recomp and suitable for a cut, but I would not recommend it as a “kicker” or even a bulker like Dbol is used for.”
At this point we will simply have to wait and see how well Diabolix works. Iron Flex has had a fairly solid reputation even though it is a relatively new company in the prohormone world. They mostly produce clones of existing prohormones, and this seems to be their first venture into an original and unique idea. For their sake, and for our winter bulker plans, I hope that this works as well as it looks on paper.
Link to article.
http://www.prohormonepodcast.com/prohormones/diabolix-iron-flex-launches-news/
I hope this helps!
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I absolutely agree. If I had a source, I would not be running PH's.
I have spent $2000+ in the last week 1/2 on PH's/Supplements/IGF/Syntherol.
I could have bought a lot of gear for that!
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The Dude
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
I will remind you of this. It takes a long time and alot of research to locate a solid source. The vast majority will run off with your money and/or send you bunk that may not even be sterile. AAS is a dirty game and carries a tremendous amount of risk.
PH's are more expensive, but you will receive what you order and as long as you patronize reputable companies you will get a quality product. Keep that in mind.
It is a similiar Argument that I have had with some friends. They are more "elitist" with the whole "GH is the greatest thing out there". I personally have never used GH though I can get quality GH. MC IGF is always quality and always arrives. It is also substantially less expensive allowing for higher doses. I'm leaving out the fact that as much as 95% of the GH out there is bunk. Fact is I'm bigger and in better shape than the guys spending every last nickel on GH.
END OF RANT
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HackTwat
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
Amen...
Nikon
New member
UPDATE: DAY 11
My weight was up 2lbs this morning.
Still have not noticed any negative sides except for some bruising on my calves from the Syntherol pins. (I've slowed down on this a bit. It's getting old, but I'll try and stick with it.)
I have noticed that I have a slight euphoria. I was addicted to Oxycontin and other opiates for 10+ years, so I know euphoria when I feel it.
It is nothing like that druggy euphoria feeling though. I just feel really good and happy. It is a very mild, but very pleasing feeling.
I have read about others on Dianadrol having this same experience, so I can confirm that it is legit.
I received some goodies today! I received 1 20ML vial of Trest-Ace, and 1 vial of Trest-Deca. (I'm ordering more as soon as it is in stock. Also going to order some DTC for my cutting cycle.)
I also received my Aegis liver support. I have been taking 500mg/day of Milk Thistle, and I think I will continue to take that with it.
I know my liver has to be in rough shape from all of the pain killers I have taken. It has been almost 5 years, but better safe than sorry when it comes to your liver.
The MC IGF is by far my favorite of everything I am taking.
It is causing almost instant growth at the injection site every time I inject it! I take it Pre-Workout, and half way through the day, that muscle has grown! It's amazing, and I am so happy I found it.
After experimenting with different doses, I have discovered that 30mcg split into 2 sites is sufficient for me, so with 5 bottles, that's gonna last a while!
So far, I highly recommend everything I am taking. I feel the best I have felt in probably 10 years, and I am noticing some nice changes.
I should be receiving my Diabolix this week.
It is basically the exact same compound as Dianadrol apart from the Hydrozone. Supposedly, this causes the compound to be utilized more effectively by the reaction caused with stomach acid.
So, I will just switch over to it at the current dose of Ddrol.
My weight was up 2lbs this morning.
Still have not noticed any negative sides except for some bruising on my calves from the Syntherol pins. (I've slowed down on this a bit. It's getting old, but I'll try and stick with it.)
I have noticed that I have a slight euphoria. I was addicted to Oxycontin and other opiates for 10+ years, so I know euphoria when I feel it.
It is nothing like that druggy euphoria feeling though. I just feel really good and happy. It is a very mild, but very pleasing feeling.
I have read about others on Dianadrol having this same experience, so I can confirm that it is legit.
I received some goodies today! I received 1 20ML vial of Trest-Ace, and 1 vial of Trest-Deca. (I'm ordering more as soon as it is in stock. Also going to order some DTC for my cutting cycle.)
I also received my Aegis liver support. I have been taking 500mg/day of Milk Thistle, and I think I will continue to take that with it.
I know my liver has to be in rough shape from all of the pain killers I have taken. It has been almost 5 years, but better safe than sorry when it comes to your liver.
The MC IGF is by far my favorite of everything I am taking.
It is causing almost instant growth at the injection site every time I inject it! I take it Pre-Workout, and half way through the day, that muscle has grown! It's amazing, and I am so happy I found it.
After experimenting with different doses, I have discovered that 30mcg split into 2 sites is sufficient for me, so with 5 bottles, that's gonna last a while!
So far, I highly recommend everything I am taking. I feel the best I have felt in probably 10 years, and I am noticing some nice changes.
I should be receiving my Diabolix this week.
It is basically the exact same compound as Dianadrol apart from the Hydrozone. Supposedly, this causes the compound to be utilized more effectively by the reaction caused with stomach acid.
So, I will just switch over to it at the current dose of Ddrol.
HackTwat
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
If any of those compounds are like Dbol which I think it is, then that "Good" feeling is from that coupled with the MC IGF. MC IGF has a "well being" feel to it for me as well. I can always feel that when I start it for several weeks. I tend to get used to doses though. So, its best for me to cycle high doses and come off for periods.
Everything is sounding like its falling into place here Nikon... Keep it up
Everything is sounding like its falling into place here Nikon... Keep it up
Nikon
New member
UPDATE: DAY 12
I can't remember if I told you guys or not, but I started Jim Stoppani's Shortcut to Size training program on Monday 20th.
It seems like a pretty good program considering I have never actually followed someone else's program before.
It really isn't that different than what I am used to, but some of the exercises are different.
Honestly, I feel like I am able to put more focus on the specific muscle with some of the exercises I am used to. I may make a few minor changes, but overall I like it.
Here is an example of my Chest/Tricep workout:
4 Sets of everything / 12-15 Reps / Last set employs "Rest Pause" (Last set to failure/rest 10-15sec/To failure again)
Flat Bench (The DUDE said "NO Flat Bench". I'm not sure why though?)
Incline Barbell
Incline Dumbell Fly
Cable Crossover
Tricep Pushdown
Lying tricep Extension
Cable Extension (Rope)
Seated Calf Raise
I usually do more than this, but the "Rest-Pause" really wears me out. It makes for an intense workout.
The only thing is I worry a bit about people thinking I'm on something, because I sweat like a pig!
I have been noticing my core temp is higher than normal.
My girlfriend and I are trying to work things out, so that meant make up sex. I don't want to get into specifics, but WOW!
I had read that Trest can decrease sperm count, but from what I can tell, it has increased, A LOT!
I have also noticed that my appetite has increased!
This is huge for me, because I usually have a hard time eating. I am able to eat almost twice as much as usual!
My diet is still extremely clean.
I am trying to increase my carbs. It has been a bit of a challenge, because lowering carbs over the last couple years was a huge contribution to the 25lbs that I lost.
I have also started filling a 1 Gallon jug of water every day, so that I can monitor my water intake. 1 Gallon/ED
So, everything is going great, and I feel fantastic!
I am still making minor adjustments to my cycle. That will probably be on-going for another week.
I can deal with the increased core temp from the Trest. I'm sure that is contributing to the weight that I am losing.
BTW, my acne is completely gone!
I used a Neutragena bar in the shower, and Cetaphil/Astrigent before bed.
I will continue this protocol in order to maintain my beautiful skin.
I would also like to add that I seem to be unable to get sore, no matter how hard I work out. This is definitely a new experience for me.
So, back to my cycle.
The Trest-Ace for Week 2 says 75mg/EOD, but it is actually 75/75/25/25.
I guess this worked out as a Front-Load. There is some debate as to weather or not this effective, but what is done is done.
I decided not to go that high so fast. I know it should be consistent, but I'm just getting a feel for it.
There is still a possibility that I may taper up, but I want to maintain the lowest dose possible so that I will have more room to go up in the future.
I have also decided to drop the Test Cyp entirely. From what i have read, there is no need for it with the Trest.
Trest really does seem to be "everything that Test should be".
I'm sorry I keep changing things, but I am still researching, and i want it to be right.
It seems unnecessary to have the test in this cycle. I will probably run a low dose of it with DTC in my cutting cycle in March.
I'll drop it for a week or two and see if there is a noticeable difference.
This is probably getting old, but here is new newest revision of my cycle.
I can't remember if I told you guys or not, but I started Jim Stoppani's Shortcut to Size training program on Monday 20th.
It seems like a pretty good program considering I have never actually followed someone else's program before.
It really isn't that different than what I am used to, but some of the exercises are different.
Honestly, I feel like I am able to put more focus on the specific muscle with some of the exercises I am used to. I may make a few minor changes, but overall I like it.
Here is an example of my Chest/Tricep workout:
4 Sets of everything / 12-15 Reps / Last set employs "Rest Pause" (Last set to failure/rest 10-15sec/To failure again)
Flat Bench (The DUDE said "NO Flat Bench". I'm not sure why though?)
Incline Barbell
Incline Dumbell Fly
Cable Crossover
Tricep Pushdown
Lying tricep Extension
Cable Extension (Rope)
Seated Calf Raise
I usually do more than this, but the "Rest-Pause" really wears me out. It makes for an intense workout.
The only thing is I worry a bit about people thinking I'm on something, because I sweat like a pig!
I have been noticing my core temp is higher than normal.
My girlfriend and I are trying to work things out, so that meant make up sex. I don't want to get into specifics, but WOW!
I had read that Trest can decrease sperm count, but from what I can tell, it has increased, A LOT!
I have also noticed that my appetite has increased!
This is huge for me, because I usually have a hard time eating. I am able to eat almost twice as much as usual!
My diet is still extremely clean.
I am trying to increase my carbs. It has been a bit of a challenge, because lowering carbs over the last couple years was a huge contribution to the 25lbs that I lost.
I have also started filling a 1 Gallon jug of water every day, so that I can monitor my water intake. 1 Gallon/ED
So, everything is going great, and I feel fantastic!
I am still making minor adjustments to my cycle. That will probably be on-going for another week.
I can deal with the increased core temp from the Trest. I'm sure that is contributing to the weight that I am losing.
BTW, my acne is completely gone!
I used a Neutragena bar in the shower, and Cetaphil/Astrigent before bed.
I will continue this protocol in order to maintain my beautiful skin.
I would also like to add that I seem to be unable to get sore, no matter how hard I work out. This is definitely a new experience for me.
So, back to my cycle.
The Trest-Ace for Week 2 says 75mg/EOD, but it is actually 75/75/25/25.
I guess this worked out as a Front-Load. There is some debate as to weather or not this effective, but what is done is done.
I decided not to go that high so fast. I know it should be consistent, but I'm just getting a feel for it.
There is still a possibility that I may taper up, but I want to maintain the lowest dose possible so that I will have more room to go up in the future.
I have also decided to drop the Test Cyp entirely. From what i have read, there is no need for it with the Trest.
Trest really does seem to be "everything that Test should be".
I'm sorry I keep changing things, but I am still researching, and i want it to be right.
It seems unnecessary to have the test in this cycle. I will probably run a low dose of it with DTC in my cutting cycle in March.
I'll drop it for a week or two and see if there is a noticeable difference.
This is probably getting old, but here is new newest revision of my cycle.
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Nikon
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Okay, I have noticed that some of you guys are not extremely familiar with Trestolone. So, I thought I would post this to clear a few things up.
Because of this article and a few others, I have dropped the Test Cyp completely.
Trestolone (Ment) Explained
by Mike Arnold
Trestolone ace, more popularly known as Ment, has developed quite a reputation over the last several years for being an exceedingly potent steroid. Combined with its initial long-term absence from the market, its current limited availability, and a market nearly devoid of high quality clones, its allure among steroid users has been further increased, taking on an almost super-drug status similar to what we saw when the now defunct Parabolan ceased production.
However, unlike most of the AAS which have hit the market in the last several years, Ment does not owe its popularity to enterprising OTC supplement companies or blackmarket dealers, but to legitimate medical research which has made its way into the BB’ing community. Ment was originally developed in the 1960’s, but recent interest has been generated by both the Population Council and the research-based pharmaceutical company Schering, due to their extensive investigation into Ment for the purposes of male birth control and hormone replacement therapy. This has resulted in some impressive findings, leading to the discovery of a steroid displaying a unique embodiment of traits, which are ideally suited to the muscle building process.
Belonging to the 19-nor family of steroids, Ment is more properly known as 7-alpha-methyl-nortestosterone, yet despite its close association to this class of steroids, Ment displays several characteristics more commonly attributed to Testosterone. Nowhere is this more evident than in the area of male sexual functioning. Anyone who has been around the steroid subculture long enough is aware that the 19-nor family of drugs is notorious for causing sexual dysfunction in males. Side effects such as low libido and/or the inability to obtain an erection characterize the use of steroids like Nandrolone or Trenbolone and led to the coining of terms such as “Deca-dick” and “Tren-dick”. While the humor inherent in such language is apparent, those who suffer with these self-inflicted maladies generally don’t find it a laughing matter.
This is where Ment differs. In fact, Ment is the only steroid in production today that is capable of sustaining normal male physiology in the complete absence of testosterone, including sexual functioning. This is one of the vital traits which has qualified Ment for consideration as a male contraceptive and hormone replacement therapy, as sexual dysfunction would be an unacceptable side effect in users seeking medical treatment for these reasons.
With regard to cycle set-up, the inclusion of Ment allows for the revision of one of its most basic tenants, which traditionally says that testosterone should be included in every cycle. Although I personally do not agree with that philosophy in all cases, there are many good reasons why Testosterone should generally be included in one’s cycle. However, Ment changes all that, making the inclusion of Testosterone optional and not a necessity. All the side effects which normally present themselves in a state of Testosterone deficiency are absent when Ment is employed. This is a big advantage unique to Ment alone and which enables an AASA user to think outside the box when designing his/her cycle.
Ment demonstrates a strong binding affinity for the AR receptor, being greater than that of Testosterone and even Nandrolone. Like Testosterone, it also has the ability to aromatize, making the concomitant use of an AI desirable in times of estrogen excess. As most AAS users are aware and which recent research confirms, estrogen plays a role in the muscle growth process both directly and indirectly, which is part of the reason why aromatizable steroids often impart superior mass gains compared to their non-aromatizing counterparts. So, while aromatization is beneficial in part, it can quickly be turned into a negative quality if not properly managed, resulting in side effects such as: gynecomastia, water retention, heightened blood pressure, increased HPTA suppression, mood swings, and the accumulation of additional bodyfat.
Other defining characteristics of Ment include a lack of DHT conversion and like most injectable preparations, Ment is also non-hepatotoxic in nature. In addition, Ment does not bind to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG), increasing the potency of this drug considerably. When administering drugs such as testosterone, over 95% of the injected steroid ultimately ends up either attaching to SHBG, converting to DHT, or aromatizing into estrogen, leaving only a small amount of the original dose left for muscle building functions. Once a hormone attaches to the protein SHBG, it remains bound (in most cases) for the entire life of the steroid, rendering it completely useless. AAS which avoid SHBG binding allow a significantly greater percentage of the injected drug to reach its intended target at the androgen receptor and initiate the muscle growth process.
When determining Ment’s suitability as a prescription medication for male contraception or HRT, its effect on the prostate is of critical importance. This make or break factor was evaluated right from the start, with promising results. Research shows that Ment has a lesser effect on the prostate compared to testosterone per effective dose, reducing the potential risk of prostate issues in older men receiving treatment for HRT or otherwise. While younger users typically pay little heed to this aspect of their health, they may be glad they did later on down the road.
One area where Ment isn’t quite so friendly is that of HPTA suppression. Research shows that Ment is a full 12X as suppressive as Testosterone on a mg to mg basis. However, this side effect is deemed to be a necessary benefit when looking to develop this drug as a birth control medication. Any steroid used for birth control purposes requires an exceptionally high success rate at preventing pregnancy, and that will only come by way of significant suppression of spermatogenesis. In reality, most steroid users end up largely infertile by cycle’s end anyway, due to the number and quantity of AAS used.
Now let’s move onto the more exciting stuff; namely its ability to build muscle tissue. Most AAS users are primarily interested in one thing, which is…”How much muscle will this stuff really help me add?” While this question is impossible to answer, due to the numerous influential variables involved, we can look to both medical research and real-world experience to help provide us with a clearer picture of what to expect. The following quote is an excerpt taken from a study comparing the effects of Testosterone and Trestolone:
Study comparing Ment to Testosterone: “The ability of 7 alpha-methyl-19-nortestosterone acetate (MENT) to increase the weights of ventral prostate and seminal vesicles of castrated rats was four times higher than that of testosterone, while its effect on the weights of bulbocavernosus plus levator ani muscles (muscle), was 10 times that of testosterone.(Endocrinology. 1992 Jun;130(6):3677-83.)”
Referencing the paragraph above, we see that Ment delivers 10X the myotropic effect (muscle building) of testosterone, on a mg to mg basis. Based on these figures, this would make Ment more potent than any other non-toxic injectable currently sold on the market. I comparison to the exceedingly potent steroid Trenbolone, which is often used as a benchmark for potency, Ment outperforms it by a full 250%.
It is important to note that the results witnessed in this study were obtained by using primates as test subjects, so while it is likely that the results will translate pretty well to humans, there is no substitute for real-world human testing being conducted specifically for the purpose of performance enhancement. The overwhelming majority of our BB’ing knowledge, as it relates to the optimal application of PED for the purpose of muscle growths, was gained through the combined experience of generations of athletes. While quality versions of this steroid are scarce, enough individuals have experimented with this steroid at this point in time, for us to have a good idea of what to expect.
First of all, the BB’r should not expect to grow muscle at 10X the rate of Testosterone at an equivalent dose, but there is no doubt that one’s gains will measurably surpass what is attainable with an equal dose of Testosterone. Out of the few dozen people I have personally known who have used this steroid and based on the user experiences of others I am aware of, I would most aptly describe this steroid as a type of “super-testosterone”, in terms of results. Visually, the musculature tends to take on a similar appearance. This is not a great steroid for contest prep or achieving a hard & dry look, but if sheer bulk accompanied by some water retention is what you’re looking for, Ment will deliver. Like Testosterone, estrogen-induced water retention can be substantially reduced with the concurrent use of an AI, allowing a decently hard & dry appearance to manifest.
Even though Ment may behave similarly to Testosterone in terms of visual results & side effects, it is important to note that Ment’s ability to trigger these side effects at equivalent doses is much more exaggerated compared to testosterone. This is due largely to its increased androgenic potency. According to use feedback, Ment also carries with it the risk of developing certain “tren-like” sides in some users, especially at higher dosages, although not all users have reported this.
As far as dosing is concerned, no definitive guidelines have yet been formed, although in my opinion it is likely that Ment will probably end up being dosed along the same lines as Trenbolone, with the average dose falling somewhere 200-500 mg per week. Of course, not all users will adhere to these guidelines, with some electing to administer a more hearty dosage. Overall, we are looking at a very potent steroid, both on paper and in the real-world, which is capable of eliciting serious gains in mass & strength over a relatively short period of time. As availability increases, look for this steroid to take up a more permanent residence in the arsenals of BB’rs and strength athletes alike.
Arnold, M. (2012, May 26). Trestolone (MENT) Explained. Retrieved October 21, 2014, from http://www.ironmagazine.com/2012/trestolone-ment-explained/
Because of this article and a few others, I have dropped the Test Cyp completely.
Trestolone (Ment) Explained
by Mike Arnold
Trestolone ace, more popularly known as Ment, has developed quite a reputation over the last several years for being an exceedingly potent steroid. Combined with its initial long-term absence from the market, its current limited availability, and a market nearly devoid of high quality clones, its allure among steroid users has been further increased, taking on an almost super-drug status similar to what we saw when the now defunct Parabolan ceased production.
However, unlike most of the AAS which have hit the market in the last several years, Ment does not owe its popularity to enterprising OTC supplement companies or blackmarket dealers, but to legitimate medical research which has made its way into the BB’ing community. Ment was originally developed in the 1960’s, but recent interest has been generated by both the Population Council and the research-based pharmaceutical company Schering, due to their extensive investigation into Ment for the purposes of male birth control and hormone replacement therapy. This has resulted in some impressive findings, leading to the discovery of a steroid displaying a unique embodiment of traits, which are ideally suited to the muscle building process.
Belonging to the 19-nor family of steroids, Ment is more properly known as 7-alpha-methyl-nortestosterone, yet despite its close association to this class of steroids, Ment displays several characteristics more commonly attributed to Testosterone. Nowhere is this more evident than in the area of male sexual functioning. Anyone who has been around the steroid subculture long enough is aware that the 19-nor family of drugs is notorious for causing sexual dysfunction in males. Side effects such as low libido and/or the inability to obtain an erection characterize the use of steroids like Nandrolone or Trenbolone and led to the coining of terms such as “Deca-dick” and “Tren-dick”. While the humor inherent in such language is apparent, those who suffer with these self-inflicted maladies generally don’t find it a laughing matter.
This is where Ment differs. In fact, Ment is the only steroid in production today that is capable of sustaining normal male physiology in the complete absence of testosterone, including sexual functioning. This is one of the vital traits which has qualified Ment for consideration as a male contraceptive and hormone replacement therapy, as sexual dysfunction would be an unacceptable side effect in users seeking medical treatment for these reasons.
With regard to cycle set-up, the inclusion of Ment allows for the revision of one of its most basic tenants, which traditionally says that testosterone should be included in every cycle. Although I personally do not agree with that philosophy in all cases, there are many good reasons why Testosterone should generally be included in one’s cycle. However, Ment changes all that, making the inclusion of Testosterone optional and not a necessity. All the side effects which normally present themselves in a state of Testosterone deficiency are absent when Ment is employed. This is a big advantage unique to Ment alone and which enables an AASA user to think outside the box when designing his/her cycle.
Ment demonstrates a strong binding affinity for the AR receptor, being greater than that of Testosterone and even Nandrolone. Like Testosterone, it also has the ability to aromatize, making the concomitant use of an AI desirable in times of estrogen excess. As most AAS users are aware and which recent research confirms, estrogen plays a role in the muscle growth process both directly and indirectly, which is part of the reason why aromatizable steroids often impart superior mass gains compared to their non-aromatizing counterparts. So, while aromatization is beneficial in part, it can quickly be turned into a negative quality if not properly managed, resulting in side effects such as: gynecomastia, water retention, heightened blood pressure, increased HPTA suppression, mood swings, and the accumulation of additional bodyfat.
Other defining characteristics of Ment include a lack of DHT conversion and like most injectable preparations, Ment is also non-hepatotoxic in nature. In addition, Ment does not bind to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG), increasing the potency of this drug considerably. When administering drugs such as testosterone, over 95% of the injected steroid ultimately ends up either attaching to SHBG, converting to DHT, or aromatizing into estrogen, leaving only a small amount of the original dose left for muscle building functions. Once a hormone attaches to the protein SHBG, it remains bound (in most cases) for the entire life of the steroid, rendering it completely useless. AAS which avoid SHBG binding allow a significantly greater percentage of the injected drug to reach its intended target at the androgen receptor and initiate the muscle growth process.
When determining Ment’s suitability as a prescription medication for male contraception or HRT, its effect on the prostate is of critical importance. This make or break factor was evaluated right from the start, with promising results. Research shows that Ment has a lesser effect on the prostate compared to testosterone per effective dose, reducing the potential risk of prostate issues in older men receiving treatment for HRT or otherwise. While younger users typically pay little heed to this aspect of their health, they may be glad they did later on down the road.
One area where Ment isn’t quite so friendly is that of HPTA suppression. Research shows that Ment is a full 12X as suppressive as Testosterone on a mg to mg basis. However, this side effect is deemed to be a necessary benefit when looking to develop this drug as a birth control medication. Any steroid used for birth control purposes requires an exceptionally high success rate at preventing pregnancy, and that will only come by way of significant suppression of spermatogenesis. In reality, most steroid users end up largely infertile by cycle’s end anyway, due to the number and quantity of AAS used.
Now let’s move onto the more exciting stuff; namely its ability to build muscle tissue. Most AAS users are primarily interested in one thing, which is…”How much muscle will this stuff really help me add?” While this question is impossible to answer, due to the numerous influential variables involved, we can look to both medical research and real-world experience to help provide us with a clearer picture of what to expect. The following quote is an excerpt taken from a study comparing the effects of Testosterone and Trestolone:
Study comparing Ment to Testosterone: “The ability of 7 alpha-methyl-19-nortestosterone acetate (MENT) to increase the weights of ventral prostate and seminal vesicles of castrated rats was four times higher than that of testosterone, while its effect on the weights of bulbocavernosus plus levator ani muscles (muscle), was 10 times that of testosterone.(Endocrinology. 1992 Jun;130(6):3677-83.)”
Referencing the paragraph above, we see that Ment delivers 10X the myotropic effect (muscle building) of testosterone, on a mg to mg basis. Based on these figures, this would make Ment more potent than any other non-toxic injectable currently sold on the market. I comparison to the exceedingly potent steroid Trenbolone, which is often used as a benchmark for potency, Ment outperforms it by a full 250%.
It is important to note that the results witnessed in this study were obtained by using primates as test subjects, so while it is likely that the results will translate pretty well to humans, there is no substitute for real-world human testing being conducted specifically for the purpose of performance enhancement. The overwhelming majority of our BB’ing knowledge, as it relates to the optimal application of PED for the purpose of muscle growths, was gained through the combined experience of generations of athletes. While quality versions of this steroid are scarce, enough individuals have experimented with this steroid at this point in time, for us to have a good idea of what to expect.
First of all, the BB’r should not expect to grow muscle at 10X the rate of Testosterone at an equivalent dose, but there is no doubt that one’s gains will measurably surpass what is attainable with an equal dose of Testosterone. Out of the few dozen people I have personally known who have used this steroid and based on the user experiences of others I am aware of, I would most aptly describe this steroid as a type of “super-testosterone”, in terms of results. Visually, the musculature tends to take on a similar appearance. This is not a great steroid for contest prep or achieving a hard & dry look, but if sheer bulk accompanied by some water retention is what you’re looking for, Ment will deliver. Like Testosterone, estrogen-induced water retention can be substantially reduced with the concurrent use of an AI, allowing a decently hard & dry appearance to manifest.
Even though Ment may behave similarly to Testosterone in terms of visual results & side effects, it is important to note that Ment’s ability to trigger these side effects at equivalent doses is much more exaggerated compared to testosterone. This is due largely to its increased androgenic potency. According to use feedback, Ment also carries with it the risk of developing certain “tren-like” sides in some users, especially at higher dosages, although not all users have reported this.
As far as dosing is concerned, no definitive guidelines have yet been formed, although in my opinion it is likely that Ment will probably end up being dosed along the same lines as Trenbolone, with the average dose falling somewhere 200-500 mg per week. Of course, not all users will adhere to these guidelines, with some electing to administer a more hearty dosage. Overall, we are looking at a very potent steroid, both on paper and in the real-world, which is capable of eliciting serious gains in mass & strength over a relatively short period of time. As availability increases, look for this steroid to take up a more permanent residence in the arsenals of BB’rs and strength athletes alike.
Arnold, M. (2012, May 26). Trestolone (MENT) Explained. Retrieved October 21, 2014, from http://www.ironmagazine.com/2012/trestolone-ment-explained/
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